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Investment & Finance Thread (week Aug. 3 - Aug. 9 edition)
Weekly investment & finance thread ^ | Aug. 3, 2014 | Freeper Investors

Posted on 08/03/2014 2:06:47 PM PDT by expat_panama

Yo!   What we got this past week is the economy's officially in terrific shape and both stocks and metals are tanking. 

Now, while it's never good to be too convinced about what we think is going to happen next in the future, I personally am having a hard time trying to decide what I think is happening right now.  Somehow the more I know about what's going on the less I know about what's going on.

Oh yeah, IBD says stocks are still in an 'up-trend'.

 

This is the thread where folks swap ideas on savings and investment --here's a list of popular investing links that freepers have posted here and tomorrow morning we'll go on with our--

Open invitation continues always for idea-input for the thread, this being a joint effort works well.   Keywords: financial, WallStreet, stockmarket, economy.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: economy; financial; stockmarket; wallstreet
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To: familyop

We are in municipal bond funds. we just realized we need to sell before the balloon pops.
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21 posted on 08/03/2014 7:27:36 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: expat_panama
“......I personally am having a hard time trying to decide what I think is happening right now. Somehow the more I know about what's going on the less I know about what's going on.”

That is because the long term policies make no sense but because Americans do what they can short term stats are doing OK. For example, how can things work out if the US marginal corporate tax rate is the highest in the world? How can the labor force be competitive when full time work is defined as 30 hrs./week? How can the US compete with emerging markets when US businesses are over regulated and over taxed?

22 posted on 08/03/2014 11:47:18 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: expat_panama
If you have not seen this already, here is a fun Monday morning read. ; )

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/that-plunge-in-stocks-is-just-the-beginning-2014-08-03?siteid=yhoof2

23 posted on 08/03/2014 11:51:12 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: A Cyrenian; abb; Abigail Adams; abigail2; AK_47_7.62x39; Aliska; Aquamarine; ...

Hitting the ground running on this beautiful Monday morning we got futures markets upbeat on both metals and stocks.  Of course, most of the pundits are warning about crashing markets, but that's usually a bullish sign; that plus the fact that previous drops were in weakening trade.  The Econ Calendar says reports (what there are) are only for Tues-Fri.  Morning news.


24 posted on 08/04/2014 4:23:30 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

BUMP for later. Thanks!


25 posted on 08/04/2014 4:46:39 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: expat_panama

“and the way to get rich at a casino is to own the casino”

Meyer Lansky said something very similar. He never gambled at the tables.


26 posted on 08/04/2014 5:00:43 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: expat_panama

Economic reality. Eventually the amphetamines wear off and you need to sleep.


27 posted on 08/04/2014 5:29:33 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Chgogal
a fun Monday morning read.

You bet!   This morning I got a late start so I'd already added it to the morning ping but having you notice it was a good confirmation.  Ordinarily seeing a major index cross the 50-day moving average is a sell signal, in this case trade volume's already beginning to fall.  Impossible to say of course, stock futures this AM are upbeat but on the other other hand they're less up beat right now than they were an hour ago...

28 posted on 08/04/2014 5:40:40 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Chgogal; expat_panama

Crossing 50DMA is no huge deal. When the 50DMA crosses the 200DMA (the Death Cross) it’s time to get worried.


29 posted on 08/04/2014 7:19:45 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Chgogal; expat_panama

30 posted on 08/04/2014 7:25:07 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: 1010RD
Economic reality. Eventually the amphetamines wear off and you need to sleep.

Or maybe we're saying pain killers fail as we opt for major surgery...

31 posted on 08/04/2014 7:30:20 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Chgogal; Wyatt's Torch
When the 50DMA crosses the 200DMA

--is when we're glad we're 100% cash...

32 posted on 08/04/2014 7:32:21 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

Meanwhile 10YUST yield close to hitting 52-week low...

So much for the “spiking interest rates” theory of people who don’t understand money.


33 posted on 08/04/2014 8:00:51 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: expat_panama
ANALYST: The Stock Market's Wolf May Finally Be Close At Hand

The stock market's "Wolf" moment might finally be here.

In his latest technical strategy note, Jonathan Krinsky, chief market technician at MKM Partners, uses the parable of the boy who cried wolf to describe the past year and a half of action in the stock market.

His takeaway? The wolf might finally be here.

Krinsky writes:

In the 2013 playbook, which saw every minor dip provide a springboard for new highs, such oversold scenarios created excellent buying opportunities. While we think a short-term bounce should materialize soon, there has also been enough of a change in character over the last few weeks that a bounce in the SPX might, for the first time in a long-time, fail to make a new high. Should that occur, we would most certainly be seeing a major change in character; i.e., the Wolf may finally be coming.

Krinsky breaks down a number of technical indicators in his note (he is, after all, a technical analyst), but the main takeaway is that when the S&P 500 hits 1900, we'll really know what kind of market we're looking at. Does the market break down further, or is it just another bounce on the way to S&P 2000?

Here's Krinsky's chart that shows the S&P 500's impending showdown with a number of technical indicators. Krinsky S&P 500 levels

MKM Partners

34 posted on 08/04/2014 8:16:59 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: expat_panama
Both analogies work, particularly since some time, after surgery, you need to get off the pain meds or you get addicted. There is a distinction between stock market investors and the rest of the economy. The SM investors have a fairly narrow vision. They aren't concerned that the economy is being juiced, only on the juice's effects vis a vis the SM.

I suspect that almost all of the QE has been largely offset by terrible fiscal policy. At some point you have to let things reset to market normal. It's like coming down with a 24 flu, but having the government intervene to prevent vomiting and diarrhea. When do you truly recover and how long will it take?

35 posted on 08/04/2014 10:00:43 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
...investors have a fairly narrow vision....

What, you own stocks and you have "a fairly narrow vision"?  Your neighbor said he owns stocks and as a FNV?  Or is this one of those "in general" things like Latinos are noisy and Italians are gangsters and the Chinese are so inscrutable that they haven't been unscrewed but centuries...

36 posted on 08/04/2014 12:03:09 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Wyatt's Torch
"Looking for trade-able low to materialize towards 1900"

That may turn out to be a pipedream as support continues to solidify a bit above that-- 

--although the trend from the past 18 months is down at 1900. We're only talking a couple percent here...

37 posted on 08/04/2014 12:31:21 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

Do your investment decisions hinge on whether the government makes the correct economic policy or on how whatever policy government makes will affect the investment?


38 posted on 08/04/2014 12:33:41 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

Serious investors have to pay attention to changes in policy. Sure, we’re buying companies and we’re not buying policy. Just the same gov’t policies have an enormous impact on those companies’ ability to function.


39 posted on 08/04/2014 12:48:46 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: 1010RD

Long run sure. Short run more a function of fundamentals and sentiment.


40 posted on 08/04/2014 12:57:19 PM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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