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Man Who Shot Eric Garner Chokehold Video Arrested
The Wall Street Journal ^ | Aug 3, 2014 | Pervaiz Shallwani

Posted on 08/03/2014 4:29:05 PM PDT by Leaning Right

The man who shot the cellphone video showing a police officer using an apparent chokehold on a Staten Island man who later died, was arrested Saturday night on charges that he was carrying a stolen loaded handgun, a law-enforcement official said.

Ramsey Orta, 22 years old, was charged by the New York Police Department with criminal possession of a weapon and criminal possession of a weapon with a previous conviction, police said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; chokehold; donutwatch; garner; nypd
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The video shooter, Ramsey Orta, is said to have a criminal record. Yet this is a most interesting "coincidence".
1 posted on 08/03/2014 4:29:05 PM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: Leaning Right

Orta??? another white hispanic perhaps??


2 posted on 08/03/2014 4:30:38 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: Leaning Right; null and void

There will be no taping of the activities, citizen.


3 posted on 08/03/2014 4:31:49 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Leaning Right

Wait until the video of the cops planting the handgun comes out.


4 posted on 08/03/2014 4:31:53 PM PDT by pallis
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Thank God for the real men who founded this country,
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5 posted on 08/03/2014 4:32:19 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Leaning Right

Well, yeah ... NOW he has a “criminal record” - after some corrupt NYC cops likely planted the illegal firearm. There is no such thing as “coincidences” - particularly where dirty cops are involved ... Just remember their motto: “To Protect and to Serve (Ourselves!)”


6 posted on 08/03/2014 4:35:08 PM PDT by WTFOVR (I find myself exclaiming that expression quite often these days!)
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To: pallis
A handgun stolen from my home was used by cops for this exact purpose. The feds did an investigation of Northeast Detectives Division in Philly. If they wanted to get someone off the street they would miraculously find a gun in their car when they pulled them over for a broken tail light.

I eventually got the gun back after ballistics did their thing and the trials were concluded.

The cops were found guilty. IMHO they were the ones fencing all the stuff the thieves stole.

7 posted on 08/03/2014 4:35:50 PM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: pallis

That is why they always find a gun and drugs on you after they kill you. They put them there, why shouldn’t they find them? They will also find child porn on your computer that they planted there.


8 posted on 08/03/2014 4:41:19 PM PDT by sport
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To: pallis

I remember the Mad send-up of the movie “Serpico” when he says he wants to be an honest cop;and his uncle says “make up your mind,” !which is it gonna be?


9 posted on 08/03/2014 4:44:15 PM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Leaning Right

Throw-down gun?


10 posted on 08/03/2014 4:54:42 PM PDT by expat2
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To: Leaning Right

Sounds like a setup to get the guy who took the video out of the way. He will not be available in court to verify that the video was the one he took and the charges will be dropped against the cop.


11 posted on 08/03/2014 4:57:21 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (His Arrogance would love to replace John Kerry-Heinz but all the trained monkeys turned him down.)
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To: Leaning Right
What are the odds?
A variation of the drop-gun routine?
12 posted on 08/03/2014 5:05:59 PM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: Leaning Right
Could be a coincidence. Could also be "legitimate." A very high percentage of ethnic surnames living in New York have criminal records. Just about everyone else has come close even if they haven't been actually convicted.

Some of them have done nothing no more sinister than been caught with an unregistered firearm. What was that quote from Atlas Shrugged about the law wanting to make all citizens criminals so the arrest card could be played at an opportune time?

13 posted on 08/03/2014 5:09:15 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Leaning Right

I suspect this guy may not be available to testify because he’ll have an unfortunate accident. Choking on a bar of soap, beaten to death in solitary, something.


14 posted on 08/03/2014 5:18:24 PM PDT by jim999
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To: Leaning Right; WTFOVR
Here's what the article states about his record:

"The law-enforcement official said Mr. Orta is known by a street name of "Sparks" and has a prior record going back to 2009, including criminal trespass, assault and drug possession.

Most recently, he was charged in May with robbery with a box cutter, the official said. In June 2013, Mr. Orta was charged with gun possession after he allegedly threatened to kill someone, the official said."

15 posted on 08/03/2014 5:18:55 PM PDT by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: Leaning Right

Man, reading these comments is like reading the Daily Kos. I hear the cops blew up the World Trade Center too.


16 posted on 08/03/2014 5:23:00 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: pallis; expat2; Amagi

Referring to the article, there isn’t information that Orta denies possession of the gun. He is quoted as saying: “You’re only mad because I filmed your boy.”


17 posted on 08/03/2014 5:23:58 PM PDT by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: RetiredTexasVet
"Sounds like a setup to get the guy who took the video out of the way. He will not be available in court to verify that the video was the one he took and the charges will be dropped against the cop."

If this was some sort of moronic set up to get him out of the way to prevent him from testifying, it has already failed miserably.

18 posted on 08/03/2014 5:25:30 PM PDT by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: jim999

In the movies, something like you suggest might happen. The video speaks for itself, and, if he were to die before any legal proceeding, the facts will not be in dispute as to who took the video. It will be admissible in a criminal or civil proceeding.


19 posted on 08/03/2014 5:29:15 PM PDT by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: Cap'n Crunch
"Man, reading these comments is like reading the Daily Kos. I hear the cops blew up the World Trade Center too."

Stick around. It will get much more heated. Trust me.

20 posted on 08/03/2014 5:30:50 PM PDT by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: Leaning Right

Let’s hope he doesn’t croak from a mysterious chokehold in jail. Some people can be very vindictive.


21 posted on 08/03/2014 5:34:23 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda—Divide and conquer seems to be working.)
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To: Leaning Right
So, a gun just happens to be on the guy who just happens to film a rogue cop.

Yes, we are now officially a full-on Police State. No more entries please, we have a winner!

22 posted on 08/03/2014 5:34:57 PM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them.)
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To: Cap'n Crunch

You read Daily Kos? Hmmm Bet you like occupydemocrats.com also.


23 posted on 08/03/2014 5:36:58 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda—Divide and conquer seems to be working.)
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To: sport
That is why they always find a gun and drugs on you after they kill you. They put them there, why shouldn’t they find them? They will also find child porn on your computer that they planted there.

I expect the day comes when there is a shootout at the farmstead here and as they pry the gun from my cold, dead hands, the media will be reporting on all the anti-government "terroristic" posts I have made over the years here.

24 posted on 08/03/2014 5:46:52 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: TribalPrincess2U

Never heard of that one, probably fit in nicely with some of what I read at FR though. This thread is a perfect example.


25 posted on 08/03/2014 5:47:57 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Leaning Right; null and void; All
possible BBT Alert!
>
"Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken.
You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power
and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the
power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them.
One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without
breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone?
But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted
– and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system,
Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.”

...Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
26 posted on 08/03/2014 5:51:45 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a weapon...0'Mullah / "Rustler" 0'Reid? d8-)
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To: jim999

“I suspect this guy may not be available to testify because he’ll have an unfortunate accident. Choking on a bar of soap, beaten to death in solitary, something”

He does not need to testfy. The video tells the story better than an eye witness account.


27 posted on 08/03/2014 5:51:48 PM PDT by Steven Scharf
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To: Cap'n Crunch

Awww, that’s too bad. FR may not be the place for you then.


28 posted on 08/03/2014 5:53:37 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda—Divide and conquer seems to be working.)
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Don't let FR fade away! .

29 posted on 08/03/2014 5:54:15 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Respond Code Three

Oh yeah, I was going around with them for awhile on the original ‘choke hold’ thread.

Wait til they find out NYPD used their secret ‘Precogs’ ‘Minority Report’ psychics to plant a weapon on the guy the first time he got arrested. Officers J and K were responsible for that little caper.


30 posted on 08/03/2014 6:05:24 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: TribalPrincess2U

Frankly Scarlet.


31 posted on 08/03/2014 6:05:52 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Cap'n Crunch
There are some interesting thing swirling around here.

1. The left hates cigarettes, but taxes them heavily. Garner was allegedly selling UNTAXED cigarettes. The left should be angry at him.

2. Garner resisted arrest, and died with the ME determining that the cause of death was homicide.

3. People are outraged by his death. Some FReepers are labeling it murder, and even cold blooded murder. There has yet to be a LEGAL determination by the District Attorney's office.

4. The left HATES guns and wants them confiscated, with some wanting to kill people who possess guns. The man who took the video was arrested in June of this year for gun possession after allegedly threatening go kill someone. Plus, he has now been charged with possession of a gun. Where's the hate and outrage from the left?

32 posted on 08/03/2014 6:23:53 PM PDT by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: Respond Code Three

Let me get this straight. Ramsey Orta, age 22 has an arrest history for the last 5 years. In May he ‘allegedly’ pulled a robbery with a box cutter and in 2013 he got arrested with a gun after threatening to kill somebody. (all planted evidence undoubtedly)

Incidents of that caliber usually earn someone the “one of Obama’s sons” moniker but since he made a video of the Jackbooted NYPD murdering somebody all is forgiven and he’s suddenly an FR hero.

Now I get it.


33 posted on 08/03/2014 6:23:55 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Respond Code Three

They seem to have all gravitated to FR.


34 posted on 08/03/2014 6:25:04 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Cap'n Crunch

I won’t criticize him or others who use their cameras to document what they see in public, that is their right. But obviously, I won’t conveniently ignore their past acts of criminality and talk of them in “heroic” terms. I do not stand with Orta.


35 posted on 08/03/2014 6:29:52 PM PDT by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: Cap'n Crunch

LOL!


36 posted on 08/03/2014 6:30:22 PM PDT by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: sport

Forty years ago, a leftist magazine urged people who were going to anti-war demonstrations to sew their pockets shut so nothing could be slipped into them if they were arrested.


37 posted on 08/03/2014 6:39:06 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: Respond Code Three

Same here, I do not criticize him for his video at all, more power to him. I’ve been video’d myself, no big deal.

What confounds me is what I believed to be reasonably intelligent people on this website falling for media bias and lies. I guess when the media bias and lies suit their purpose it’s acceptable. Or maybe some folks are just that gullible.


38 posted on 08/03/2014 6:41:16 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: expat2

Bill Jordan told of an incident on the southern border in which a smuggler was shot. The story was the smuggler crossing a foot bridge, pulled a .22, fired at the border patrolman. The smuggler was shot and his pistol fell into the river with two shots fired.

Their was a trial of the border patrolman from overzealous supervisors.
Bill went down to the bridge, and at the exact spot where the smuggler was shot, he leaned over to look in the river, and a cheap .22 with two shots fired that Bill had in his shirt pocket accidentally fell into the river.
Later, the supervisors went to the exact spot with a magnet to see if they could retrieve the smuggler’s gun.

To their surprise, they pulled out four or five .22 pistols all with two shots fired.


39 posted on 08/03/2014 6:46:06 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: Leaning Right; Alaska Wolf; TexasFreeper2009; DCBryan1; Slings and Arrows; Doomonyou; ...
JBT Ping list


40 posted on 08/03/2014 6:46:52 PM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: Cap'n Crunch

Too bad they’ve given us such reason to fear and deplore their actions huh?!


41 posted on 08/03/2014 6:50:11 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Ok, the joke's over. Bring back the Constitution.)
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To: Shimmer1

Police officers are members of society and reflect that society. Our society is a Godless, hedonistic cesspool headed for totalitarian rule. That’s what happens when we want to be governed by man rather than God.

I’ve seen a lot of deplorable actions from the lowest of the low to ‘fine, upstanding people,’ including police officers.

Do I believe the police planted a gun on this guy? Not for a minute. Because some police officers have committed some deplorable actions do I jump on the crazy train? No sale.


42 posted on 08/03/2014 6:59:07 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Cap'n Crunch

You mention that some folks here are gullible. That could well be true. But in this instant I see myself as suspicious, not gullible.

Consider this analogy. Let’s suppose a small businessman goes on Fox News, and exposes IRS corruption. And this greatly embarrasses the IRS, even though they deny the corruption.

And then just a week later the small businessman is the subject of an IRS audit, where irregularities are found. The IRS says the timing of the audit is just a coincidence.

It might be a bit unfair to the IRS, but be honest. Wouldn’t you be a bit suspicious, especially given past IRS excesses?

I hope you see the point I’m trying to make here.


43 posted on 08/03/2014 7:07:26 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Shimmer1

The United States military, according to the media, have committed some pretty fearful and deplorable acts, are you condemning them as well? And they have video.


44 posted on 08/03/2014 7:08:14 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Cap'n Crunch; Respond Code Three
What confounds me is what I believed to be reasonably intelligent people on this website falling for media bias and lies. I guess when the media bias and lies suit their purpose it’s acceptable. Or maybe some folks are just that gullible.

I've forgotten more about media bias than you'll ever know.

But I haven't forgotten this gem:

“He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.”

I don't object to officers, per se. I object to SWARMS of officers, which we got now.

For example, the local pretend sojers got to roll their MRAP and a couple of Bearcats last week. It wasn't necessary.

45 posted on 08/03/2014 7:08:16 PM PDT by kiryandil (making the jests that some FReepers aren't allowed to...)
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To: Cap'n Crunch

I understand what you say, although I don’t necessarily agree with it all. I believe that police might have planted a gun on this gun. Not for sure. It’s sure not a crazy train to believe it though, since it’s happened wayyyyy too often. Not just planting stuff on people, but shootings and murders and abuse, rape, shooting dogs....lots of different things.


46 posted on 08/03/2014 7:09:03 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Ok, the joke's over. Bring back the Constitution.)
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To: pallis

That’s what I’m wondering. ... A crazy coincidence. ... If that’s what it is.


47 posted on 08/03/2014 7:21:10 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Cap'n Crunch
Do I believe the police planted a gun on this guy? Not for a minute.

One more thing. Actually, I wouldn't bet on a plant either. But here's one thing I would bet on: the cops knew who Orta was, and his connect to the video. And so they were following him around, hoping to get in a little payback.

Am I sure? Not at all. But that's the way I'd bet.

48 posted on 08/03/2014 7:22:46 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Leaning Right

I’m sorry, I’m not making the correlation. I watched the Garner video, I read the Medical Examiners report. Garner did not die from being choked. His trachea was not damaged. I watched the ‘choke’ and I know how to apply the choke. The cop only had what could be considered a choke for about 2 seconds and Garner was talking and conscious when he did. You can not talk when you are being choked. I have been choked myself countless times.

The video is going to vindicate that cop.

Not more than a week later the media ran another story about another cop ‘choking’ a woman. Watching that video they lied again.

Now we are lead to believe the cops planted a gun on the guy that shot the video so they could arrest him and negate the video evidence?

Why would I want to dismiss a video that was going to show my innocence? And his arrest isn’t going to make any difference in the case anyway.

Question: Did the cops hand the gun off to the girlfriend too? You know, like a BOGO deal? Get both of them with one gun? Bust One Get One?

unreal


49 posted on 08/03/2014 7:23:41 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: kiryandil

Nice to see everybody throwing out their strawmen arguments.


50 posted on 08/03/2014 7:26:14 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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