Skip to comments.Ukraine Claims a Victory and a Setback Against Pro-Russia Rebels
Posted on 08/04/2014 8:56:24 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
Military Says It Took Back a Town Even as Some Troops Crossed Border With Russia
KIEVUkrainian forces were seeing mixed results in their battle against pro-Russian separatists in the east of the country on Monday, reporting they had moved closer to cutting off the separatist stronghold of Donetsk even as several hundred Ukrainian troops surrendered overnight across the Russian border.
Military spokesman Col. Andriy Lysenko told reporters in Kiev that Ukrainian forces had retaken Yasinuvata, a small city on the northern outskirts of Donetsk, closing off what he said was an important supply route for the separatists. A Twitter feed used by the separatists later denied the city had fallen, without elaborating.
While Ukraine's National Security and Defense Council released a battlefield map Monday showing Donetsk cut off from the rest of the separatist-held territory and the Russian border, Col. Lysenko told reporters that the city hadn't yet been completely isolated.
The government is calling on residents of rebel-held territory to leave their homes as the fighting intensifies and is providing humanitarian corridors for residents of Donetsk, Luhansk and Horlivka to flee safely to Ukrainian-held territory. City officials in Luhansk reported Monday that electricity, water and phone service had been cut off by fighting. Services in Donetsk remain operational, officials said, though shelling could be heard outside the city through the night.
Kiev's forces have made steady gains in recent days against separatist forces in the areas around Luhansk and Donetsk, but have sought to avoid a direct confrontation in those rebel stronghold cities. Defense Minister Valeriy Heletei, in an interview with the BBC's Ukrainian service aired Monday, said he was confident Kiev's forces would prevail but that retaking them would be difficult.
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Not gonna subscribe, but what are the details regarding the surrender of Ukrainians ‘across the Russian border’? Seems unlikely they’d be so incautious as to cross the border voluntarily.
The story is that some troops remained to cover the withdrawal of other troops, and then surrendered to the Russians.
I heard that they were forced into Russian territory after running out of ammunition. The Russkies are claiming they asked for asylum, but that’s what they claimed with the woman they kidnapped and brought over to Russia to face charges.
Far northern suburb, about a mile east of Adviivda, (North of the airport) which has seen heavy fighting over the last ten days.
According to the stories I’ve read, no. “Incursion,” in a military sense, does not appear to apply here. But by all accounts, Ukrainian troops did cross the border in order to surrender.
The group of 438 that surrendered seems to be a part of the trapped 72nd Brigade that was surrounded near Isvarino, where there was big fighting a few weeks ago, when Kiev tried to retake the border checkpoints.
There have been rumors of negotiations with the units trapped in the “South Pocket” for several days, and this seems to be the first bunch. There are several tweets saying that another group will surrender today, and that Rostov Hospitals have been placed on alert to receive 50+ UK casualties.
There are several pics and vids of them crossing the border on now on Twitter and youtube.
Per Berezin’s Briefing, the Right Sector militia that was with them, as well as a group of Kolomoisky’s mercs, have not surrendered, and will probably end up fighting to the death.
Tweets now saying that Battalion Vostok has retaken control of Krasnogorovka, Staromihaylovka and Yasinovataya.
If this follows the normal pattern, Kiev will attack in the daytime, and the rebels retake them at night.
Things are better than the public knows. Putin faces the tough decision of abandoning his moron supporters in Ukraine or charging ahead with the unfortunate draftee slobs required to enforce Putinism. Putinistas on FReeRepublic, no doubt, will find a sophistry to help them explain, as his unpaid apologist, why their genius, self-described conservative champion, who is willing to lie, cheat and steal to enforce a unique type off conservative values on to dissidents, is a mere opportunistic former KGB Colonel turned punk.
“Putin faces the tough decision of abandoning his moron supporters in Ukraine”
You have been claiming stuff like that, for months, and it still hasn’t come to pass.
Porkyshenko said he would end this uprising in a matter of days not weeks. And that was a couple of months ago.
Well, seeing that the rebs have been beggin Putin for weeks to intervene, and all he’s done is send arms, vehicles, and meatshield recruits, you can say that he is in the process of “abandoning” them. We’ll just have to wait and see what happens next.
It seems Russian propaganda services used to put the feelers out some time ago trying to sell the story that “USA tried to drag Russia into war, but Putin was too smart to fall into the trap and didn’t order full scale invasion”, but frenzied Russian public weren’t going to buy it. Putin’s propaganda about child-crucifying AmeriKKKa-puppet homonazi junta has worked too well cutting off some ways he could use to back off.
USA tried to drag Russia into war, but Putin was too smart to fall into the trap and didnt order full scale invasion
Boy where did you dream that up from. Please provide a link to that story. We don’t discuss fantasies here.
Then Putin admitted he sent troops into Crimea. Boy, did they shut up quickly.
That makes sense, thanks. Its easy to see the difficulty in attempting to take back a border post and not have to cross borders in the process.
Russia had a status of forces agreement with old Ukraine that permitted 20-25K of its troops to be deployed in Crimea. Those levels were never exceeded during the time period leading up to the reincorporation of the Crimean peninsula by Russia.
Kerry-hawks can whine about ‘little green men’ all they’d like, but the fact is the Russians were deployed in Crimea in compliance with an existing SOF.
Nice evening on Red Square?
Russian forces were supposed to stay in their base and not enact taking over a territory from Ukraine.
You try to bring the word “Kerry” here, but the whole world has been pretty clear about the events in Crimea. In the UN vote your corner had ONLY these 11 countries:
Russia, Armenia, Belarus, Cuba, North Korea, Zimbabwe, Sudan, Syria, Venezuela, Nicaragua and Bolivia.
No one else.
The status of forces agreement with old Ukraine allowed Russia to deploy forces over the entire Crimean peninsula depending on the circumstances, Perhaps the puppet fascists should have read the fine print because violent overthrow of the democratically elected government in Kiev was one of those circumstances.
As for the UN general assembly vote, when you add the countries that abstained from voting (including Israel) it was practically a tie. Lets not pretend the resolution was meaningful to anyone besides Kerry, Power, Obama, the floozies over at the State Dept. (oh..and you) either.
He’s right, and he is wrong, too.
There was a video floating around on Youtube and Twitter a couple of weeks ago saying just that, but it wasn’t anything from a recognized media source.
That said, the rhetoric, claims, and lies coming out of Kiev show very clearly just how desperate they are for western intervention. And you also have to think back to how this all began, with the US State Department backing the most violent elements of the Maidan.
No, I’ve been denouncing Putin for months. I’ve not been so sure of the imminent defeat of his proxies until recently, which I’ve not shared until now. Things are tough for True Believing Putinistas like you, I know. Find another cult.
Well, I guess you and the rest of your cult can hang in their in the firm hope that Putin rides to the rescue of Russian chauvinism, coercive conservatism, and Putin’s cronies.
Take another pill, and start paying attention to the actual events on the ground.
Why did the ACTUAL NAZI in charge of the ATO threaten to RESIGN, rather than implement the cease-fire that Putin and Merkel called for, and Poroshenko was reported to have agreed with??
There is a LOT of things happening in Kiev, and the NAZI ideologues (The actual Nazi’s that you folks say, over and over, don’t have any actual power), are the ones pushing for more blood now. (IMO, of course)
“There is a LOT of things happening in Kiev...” great quote. Ask your handlers to explain verb/subject agreement, comrade. Don’t try to tell me you’re a native English speaker, Boris.
You have a fear of Putin that’s not healthy. They have shrinks for that you know.
Putin admitted the 'little green men' in Crimea were Russian military forces and that is all.
It was the puppet fascists in Kiev who said those forces were not governed by the SOF agreement, and who cares what that bunch of pathological liars have to say about it anyway?
BS. If the Ukrainian govt. got the same help from the West that the separatists are getting from Russia, it’d be as happy as a pig in a poke.
You damn right they do. The Soviets, your beloved ideological brethren, were always treating the opposition to statist, like Putin, as a mental illness. Congratulations, comrade Boris. Even the proverbial blind pig has found a nut.
The annexation of Crimea, governed by the SOF agreement as well? LOLOL
I can get you a picture of the Bushes with many world leaders, but only a lowbrow boob like you thinks that proves they’re in love like Putin like you are, Boris.
“in the firm hope that Putin rides to the rescue of Russian chauvinism,”
I’d tell you to pay attention, again, but it’s clear you don’t intend to. I’d tell you to try thinking, as well, but you have made it glaringly obvious, on many occasions, that you don’t do that, either.
If you had been paying attention, you would already realize that while Putin is supporting the pro-Russian rebels, he IS NOT giving them an overwhelming advantage, but parity.
If he wanted to, he could have already provided the rebels with the kind of stuff, and in the quantities, to have already ended this in a week, with the fall of Kiev.
This has become a Proxy War, with counter-move for counter-move, between the West/Obama and Russia. With Russia no longer providing many billions a year in subsidies to keep Ukraine afloat, they can easily afford what they are doing now.
Putin likely knows what many observers have noticed, as well, that this can’t go on forever.
Things are getting WORSE, not better for the average Ukrainian, as promised by the Maidan. When it gets cold, as it will very soon, the unrest we are already seeing is only going to grow.
(Kiev already announced today the cutoff of some hot-water supplies, to save NatGas.)
Kiev is broke, begging for more IMF Money, and is now confiscating saving and retirements to pay Kolomoisky for the fuel he is selling the UK Army, at above market prices.
IMO, things will come to a head, fast, sometime in the near future. Most likely right after the expected big attack on Donetsk fails.
Hey this elhombrelibre guy scares me. I think he's a little loco.
“Dont try to tell me youre a native English speaker, Boris.”
You’re a funny troll. Is/are. Are the GRAMMAR NAZI now, as well??
Your cult worship shows.
Dude, you’re weird. Your love for Putin is reaching new levels.
Now Putin’s cabin boys are posting their “erotica” on FR.
They are. They’re like those guys in prison who fall in love with a bully.
Wait, I thought I was Boris, you were Ivan, and mac_truck and McGruff were both named Vlad ??!!.
Think maybe this is an act by people entertaining themselves by being absurd? I mean, come on, second grade name calling, chew up the Pravy BS, regurgitate, repeat . . . ?
How’re things in Moscow tonight, Putin?
Except Putin is helping the mad mullahs with their nuclear program.
Your problem is that I UNDERSTAND why you focus on Putin, and controlling the language of this event so much.
Pure propaganda for those not paying attention. I bet you had a blast mocking Sarah Palin, too.
You’re right, I’m losing because I’m just laughing too damn hard at you.