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Why Col. Strelkov May Have Trouble Recruiting Russians (Abduction, Torture, Murder)
The Interpreter Magazine ^ | 08/05/2014

Posted on 08/05/2014 8:46:11 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans

Why Col. Strelkov May Have Trouble Recruiting Russians 06:13 (GMT)

Andrei Morozov (nick-name "Murza"), is an ultranationalist activist from Moscow who heads a small Russian neo-Stalinist nationalist group called "Red Blitzkrieg," among the groups supporting the pro-Russian separatists in southeastern Ukraine as we reported.

Morozov travelled to the region and tried to join the "Donetsk People's Republic," but was arrested and tortured by the "militia" for his trouble. Ultimately he was released, and wrote an account on 21 May of his ordeal.

Snip

On the night of 12th May, without any commentary, I was taken to the dead end of the corridor behind an armory, where there was a room for interrogations. They searched all my clothing unsuccessfully for any 'inserts," then nevertheless forced me to change into camouflage pants and a telnyashka from the militia stock.

After this, they chained me in handcuffs to the window bars, leaning me against the wall. They had only one question for me: 'Who came along with you?' Naturally I replied that I was alone. They didn't ask me any more questions. Since threats and simple beatings didn't give them any results -- I wasn't a spy and had nothing to confess -- they decided to torture me in the following manner.

They put something like a pillow case over my head and wrapped it with tape, then taped and roped me, handcuffed, by my wrists and the knee of my left leg to the bars, so that I was placed on the wall at an angle, so that my joints were turned out at the most uncomfortable position possible, and the whole weight of my body fell on my wrists and knee. They tied my right leg for that purpose to the knee of my left leg in such a way that I couldn't put my weight on anything normally.

For some time I had to stay like that, then my strength gave way and I simply hung by my wrists and knee. I asked them to give me the opportunity to speak to the command. In reply, they told me I'd "be in a coffin in white slippers" before that would happen. I began to get delirious from the pain in my wrists, then lost consciousness.

Snip...

That night, in the administration building in Antratsit, they tortured a local resident who was also accused of espionage -- I heard his cries. After beating him, he was 'packed into' a wooden trunk, and then they screwed on the lid (they looked around for a screw-driver for a long time), and carried him away. Judging from the following unfavorable commentaries from the 'counter-intelligence agents,' the guy, having decided that they were going to bury him alive, didn't withstand the nervous stress and soiled himself in their favorite torture box.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: mh17; putin; russians; torture; ukraine
More at website. The link is a live thread. As they add more interesting (and terrible) things, postings get pushed down, so you may or may not have to scroll to read the rest of this particular story.

In other news, the Russian "separatists" also taped their torture of a Ukrainian soldier and took pictures of his dead body later. You can read about that story, and shudder at the images, here:

http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2014/08/graphic-warcrime-pow-tortured-and.html

This is how in Russia they liberate you.

1 posted on 08/05/2014 8:46:11 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
RED blitzkrieg?

That has a familiar and NASTY ring to it.
Are they serious?

2 posted on 08/05/2014 8:51:25 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
I seem to remember a Russian Tzar who ordered a son to kill his father for treason. He then executed the son for patricide by having him dunked in boiling water until his skin came off.

Russia may have acquired some new toys but they have not changed.

3 posted on 08/05/2014 8:52:00 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

<>This is how in Russia they liberate you.<>

This is also how they handle surrenders:

Separatists fire on Ukraine troops returning from Russia - Kiev

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/separatists-fire-ukraine-troops-returning-russia-kiev-093056019.html

Pro-Russian separatists opened fire on unarmed Ukrainian soldiers on Tuesday as they crossed back into Ukraine from Russia where they had taken shelter from fighting, Kiev defence officials said.

Ukraine acknowledged on Monday that 311 soldiers and border guards had been forced by fighting with separatists to cross into Russia. It said they had destroyed their weapons before crossing the border, but the rebels said they had left them behind, enabling separatists to seize them.

“Today at about 6 a.m. (separatist) fighters treacherously fired on a column in which there were 195 unarmed Ukrainian troops returning from the Russian Federation,” Andriy Lysenko, a spokesman for the national defence council, told Interfax news agency. He had no immediate word on casualties.


4 posted on 08/05/2014 9:05:39 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Under the repetitive drone of dumbed down nationalism, Russia under Putin (President for Life) has created a new man imbued with extremely crude and crass nationalism. Putinism is Racism. People who are not Russian are the enemy. It appeals to really stupid people and helps to justify a very cruel outlook and behavior.


5 posted on 08/05/2014 9:50:04 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Hitler used street thugs in the SA when he was trying to gain power, but got rid of them when they were no longer of us to him....I suspect Putin will do the same to these guys.


6 posted on 08/05/2014 9:52:10 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

I do too. These vile and wicked types are good for one thing. They’re immune to empathy and sympathy; their souls know no remorse. But because they’re so amoral and nihilistic they’re good for evil chores, but they’re a problem when it’s time to settle into routine life. Putin’s got enough of their spirit in him to know their value for crime and political violence, and yet he has enough of the opportunist demagogue’s perspective to see long range. Then, his outlook recognizes that some types are expendable. It’s easy for people like him. In this regard he is much like Obama. People exist to serve them and are of no worry or concern once their immediate use has passed. Unfortunately, some of our FReepers see this with Obama and overlook it in Putin.


7 posted on 08/05/2014 10:18:38 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Ivan the Terrible beat his own son to death in a fit of rage.


8 posted on 08/05/2014 10:44:45 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Uncle Chip

“Separatists fire on Ukraine troops returning from Russia”

As I previously stated, the moment they arrive back in the country, they are combatants.

No mention of the 200+ that decided to stay in Russia, and not fight anymore, though.

Which checkpoint did they cross at? There is/was heavy fighting around Marinka today.


9 posted on 08/05/2014 11:08:36 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
As I previously stated, the moment they arrive back in the country, they are combatants.

The Russian rebels sure do have a propensity for shooting at those who are unarmed -- whether on the ground or flying in passenger planes overhead.

No mention of the 200+ that decided to stay in Russia, and not fight anymore, though.

Half of them stayed there in Russia because they suspected that they would be shot like this with no way to defend themselves if they dared to return.

You must think we are so naive.

10 posted on 08/05/2014 11:36:36 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

“Half of them stayed there in Russia because they suspected that they would be shot like this”

And your evidence for that is?? Sounds like you are just making things up again. I’ll also ask you, yet again, which border post they crossed at.

“You must think we are so naive.”

No, I think you have a barely concealed agenda, that has nothing to do with the truth.


11 posted on 08/05/2014 11:41:14 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Prove me wrong, Mr 702 Ukrainians surrendered.

LOL


12 posted on 08/05/2014 11:45:20 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: tcrlaf

After watching your own comments for months now, that would be YOU.

You're lying guts --- I hate them.

Seriously.

I hope we never meet. I don't think I could restrain myself.

13 posted on 08/05/2014 11:49:29 AM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: Uncle Chip

Why??
It’s clear from every post you make.


14 posted on 08/05/2014 11:50:04 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: BlueDragon; Admin Moderator

“You’re lying guts -— I hate them.
Seriously.
I hope we never meet. I don’t think I could restrain myself.”

Oh looky...
A brave keyboard Kommando making threats. On FR, no less.


15 posted on 08/05/2014 11:52:11 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Really —

That coming from Mr 702 Ukrainians surrendered yesterday whose source of truth is tweets from drunken Russian rebels and the Russian media that relies on them.

BTW what happened to that thread — were you finally successful in getting it pulled.


16 posted on 08/05/2014 11:56:48 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Pretty awful.

But these are the people who loot cash, jewelry, credit cards and cell phones from the bodies of children they murder in a passenger plane.

Basicaly they're garbage.

Like Putin.

Like Putin's cabin boys at FR.

17 posted on 08/05/2014 12:01:20 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: tcrlaf
As I previously stated, the moment they arrive back in the country, they are combatants.

They were unarmed you Neo-Stalinist piece of crap.

18 posted on 08/05/2014 12:02:55 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“They were unarmed”
Combatants are combatants, regardless of arms

“you Neo-Stalinist piece of crap.”
Again with the childish ad hominems?? You just can’t help yourself, can you.

Read...
Learn....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_combatant


19 posted on 08/05/2014 12:09:22 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
Combatants are combatants, regardless of arms

and of course the Russians took their weapons and then sent them back unarmed and defenseless right into a rebel ambush.

Isn't that what happened???

It's not a surprise since these are the same lowlifes who shoot innocent people out of the sky and then loot them.

These Russian thugs are lowlifes -- as are those who defend them.

20 posted on 08/05/2014 12:16:05 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

“and of course the Russians took their weapons and then sent them back unarmed and defenseless right into a rebel ambush. Isn’t that what happened???”

And that accusation is based on what, exactly?
Some hate-filled fantasy, perhaps?

Perhaps an education on what the term “enemy combatant” means might be helpful to you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_combatant

Read...
Learn....


21 posted on 08/05/2014 12:19:36 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
And that accusation is based on what, exactly?

history of Russian warfare, Reuters, DNA, Yahoo, ... and your pathetic defense of the Russian thugs who would have done this.

22 posted on 08/05/2014 12:23:26 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

So, you have no proof, and no info about where this took place, other than faithfully parroting an unproven accusation that Lysenko made in a presser.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/05/us-ukraine-crisis-action-idUSKBN0G50UW20140805?feedType=RSS

Like I said, the purpose of your agenda on FR is very thinly veiled, and quite clear.


23 posted on 08/05/2014 12:26:55 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

As I previously stated, the moment they arrive back in the country, they are combatants.


Were the 83 kids murdered on MH17 by Russia combatants also?


24 posted on 08/05/2014 12:30:21 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: tcrlaf
Threat? What threat?

You whine like a little bitch.

25 posted on 08/05/2014 12:30:29 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: Uncle Chip

“of course the Russians took their weapons and then sent them back unarmed”

Actually, Kiev is claiming they destroyed their weapons before crossing the border.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/05/us-ukraine-crisis-action-idUSKBN0G50UW20140805?feedType=RSS

So, which is it? Did the Russians take the weapons? Or were they destroyed before they crossed the border, as Kiev is claiming?

What else would you care to make up, that can be easily disproved? This is fun.


26 posted on 08/05/2014 12:30:30 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Dagnabitt

Like Putin’s cabin boys at FR.


Sauna boys. The is Russia we are talking about here. The land of saunas and squat toilets.


27 posted on 08/05/2014 12:31:51 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

Were they in the military of a combatant, inside the country of combat??
Any more fallacious arguments??


28 posted on 08/05/2014 12:31:52 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: BlueDragon

“You whine like a little bitch.”
Awww... Isn’t that sweet?
Another childish insult...


29 posted on 08/05/2014 12:32:39 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
If they were unarmed, why would anyone need to read anything you provide?

As usual, you muddy the waters by your own comments.

Truth?

You have proven you are not interested in that.

Get the hell off the pages of FreeRepublic.

30 posted on 08/05/2014 12:33:41 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: tcrlaf

Since you want to play the “combatant” game. Unlawful combatants can be executed on the battlefield under international law. Is that really what you want? That would mean a lot of dead Russians in Ukraine.


31 posted on 08/05/2014 12:39:23 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

That is a false premise.
We were discussing what happened to the UK’s that returned.


32 posted on 08/05/2014 12:45:46 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
Like I said, the purpose of your agenda on FR is very thinly veiled, and quite clear.

That coming from someone who is fully unveiled, and whose mindreading abilities are embodied in his new nickname: Mr 702 Ukrainians Surrendered.

33 posted on 08/05/2014 12:48:57 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

So, which is it? Did the Russians take the weapons? Or were they destroyed before they crossed the border, as Kiev is claiming?

Rather than answer, you switch to another personal attack.
You argue like a penitent little girl.


34 posted on 08/05/2014 12:50:38 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
So, which is it?

I guess you missed this part:

the rebels said they had left them behind, enabling separatists to seize them.

They were not allowed to bring them into Russia.

You really didn't miss that part did you????

35 posted on 08/05/2014 12:55:08 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Not going to let you get by with that bait and switch.

So, which is it? Did the Russians take the weapons? Or were they destroyed before they crossed the border, as Kiev is claiming?

Who is lying?
Lysenko?
Reuters?
You?


36 posted on 08/05/2014 12:59:48 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
Who is lying? Lysenko? Reuters? You?

Trclaf

37 posted on 08/05/2014 1:18:28 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

When I’m wrong, I’ll admit it.

When you are wrong, you lie, obsfuscate, and insult like a naughty child.
Grow up and be a man.


38 posted on 08/05/2014 1:19:52 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
When I’m wrong, I’ll admit it.

Hah -- you just double down on your pathetic pontifications.

39 posted on 08/05/2014 1:30:59 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: tcrlaf

Yea report me too, there are a bunch of us who feel the same way about you, you lying quisling, trade your passport for a Russian passport and you can worship Putin in person.


40 posted on 08/05/2014 4:08:25 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: free_life

“Yea report me too, there are a bunch of us who feel the same way about you, you lying quisling, trade your passport for a Russian passport and you can worship Putin in person.”

Does hate keep you warm at night? Or do you just like pigeon-holes?


41 posted on 08/05/2014 4:28:32 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

I don’t hate you but I do hate your lies as your Russian comrades slaughter people who are in the way of their evil conquests. Your lies are evil and you don’t care. You are who you are.


42 posted on 08/05/2014 5:29:08 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: tcrlaf

tcrlaf:

GRU or KGN/FSB?

Which are you?

Your “Disinformatzia” reeks of Moscow and Putin. Been reading this red crap for decades. No change in wording, targetting (Saul Alinsky would be proud of you), no balance, no nothing.

Too much spiked Borscht, bubbie?


43 posted on 08/05/2014 6:12:47 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: tcrlaf

Penitent? Maybe you meant to say petulant. Doesn’t the Kremlin teach you monkeys proper English before they slap your wings on and send you out to get Dorothy and her little dog, too?


44 posted on 08/05/2014 10:28:35 PM PDT by mbennett203 ("Bulrog, a tough brute ninja who has dedicated his life to eradicating the world from hippies.")
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To: Uncle Chip

Leopards don’t change their spots ping.


45 posted on 08/06/2014 1:28:40 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: tcrlaf

You link actually defeats your own argument, one is doesn’t refer to civil unrest, two it was a term one country came up with, three is was also abandoned by said country under new leadership in 2009.

Shooting on unarmed people regardless of status is a war crime.


46 posted on 08/06/2014 7:47:00 AM PDT by Almondjoy
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