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Tea Party Challenger Fails in Kansas (Kansas!)
Vanity ^ | August 6, 2014 | Nathan Bedford

Posted on 08/06/2014 12:00:35 AM PDT by nathanbedford

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1 posted on 08/06/2014 12:00:35 AM PDT by nathanbedford
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To: nathanbedford
That's just it: the GOP is showing its true colors; they don't care about any of their platform-planks (those are just lies and words to fool people into voting for them) — just look at their actions.

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2 posted on 08/06/2014 12:06:15 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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>> If the apparatus of the Republican machine in Kansas can prevail with a flat-out Rino <<

You must have been watching some other election where an Olympia Snowe type candidate was the incumbent. Pat Roberts is the one of the most reliable staunch conservatives in the U.S. Senate, and even the most die-hard Milton Wolf supporters in Kansas have begrudgingly admitted that. Every political organization that rates politicians also reflects that and shows that Roberts votes the right way over 90% of the time. He was one of only a handful of Senators who stood with Ted Cruz during the filibuster while the REST of the Senate Republicans caved.

If that's your idea of a "RINO", I'd hate to see what your definition of conservative is.

3 posted on 08/06/2014 12:09:29 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Looking at the weather lately, I could really use some 'global warming' right now!)
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To: nathanbedford

We’re not in Kansas any more.


4 posted on 08/06/2014 12:10:07 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: nathanbedford
>> I hope we get enough data out of these primaries to tell us what went wrong. <<

Simple: Eating your own. Being hell bent on "taking out" incumbents who are strong supporters of Ted Cruz, while giving actual RINOs a pass (nobody bothered to lift a finger to help Joe Carr defeat Lamar Alexander until the last few weeks of the campaign, and even worse, we have this defeatist attitude that liberal Republicans in so called "blue states" are the "best we can get", so the result is the GOP establishment shoved hard-left socialist like Mark Kirk in the U.S. Senate, and our side went along with it).

You don't see the UKIP in England try to "target" the best members of the Conservative Party simply because they're incumbents, and run a clueless amateur against them because some radio talk show thought it was a good idea. Instead they go after leftists in both parties and run credible candidates. That's why the UKIP is winning and the Tea Party is losing.

5 posted on 08/06/2014 12:18:27 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Looking at the weather lately, I could really use some 'global warming' right now!)
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If that's your idea of a "RINO", I'd hate to see what your definition of conservative is.

Agree. RINO is a term that is being thrown around like the Race Card. If someone says they are Tea Party it is automatically assumed they are, even if there is no evidence to verify the fact. Roberts has been determined to be the 8th most conservative member of the Senate and stood with Cruz. In Kansas we have had our share of outright RINO's but Roberts isn't one.

6 posted on 08/06/2014 12:19:11 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: BillyBoy

Good insight.


7 posted on 08/06/2014 12:22:10 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: nathanbedford

Elections are not going to save us. We went Soviet. They are now as corrupted as the rest of the federal beast and most Americans are clueless that the country has been overthrown in a velvet coup with inside help from the Ruling Class.


8 posted on 08/06/2014 12:25:08 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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9 posted on 08/06/2014 12:31:31 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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I like the fact that Kansas has a closed primary system; that’s a very good thing and helps the base hold incumbents accountable.

I dislike the fact that the Kansas primary election rules don’t allow for a run-off in the event no contestant gets at least 50% +1. That allows situations such as we had in Kansas where the incumbent gets less than a majority of the votes (that is, the majority actually voted AGAINST the incumbent and want to see him replaced) but because of MULTIPLE challengers the majority “AGAINST” vote was split.

A runoff election provision should be added so the base’s wishes can be actually captured.


10 posted on 08/06/2014 12:33:33 AM PDT by House Atreides (ANOTHER CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN FOR CHILDERS 2014 .... Don't reward bad GOPe behavior.)
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You sure have some problems if you are equating anti-Israel UKIP (an actual political party) with the grass-roots Tea Party of the USA. Never mind that Bush was not anything like Cameron, who openly said he wanted to “export gay marriage around the world”.
11 posted on 08/06/2014 12:36:54 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Starstruck

That’s the outlook of those who put party over country.


12 posted on 08/06/2014 12:37:47 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: BillyBoy

um there is no actual Tea Party. Comparing the UKIP to it is a wrong comparison. These are Republicans running against each other.

Getting rid of incumbents in ones own party is quite difficult since they have name recognition, money and endorsements which make them seem more Conservative than they are in reality.


13 posted on 08/06/2014 12:40:09 AM PDT by RginTN
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I'm sorry. You and I am outnumbered. We know the good guys. We know the stakes. They know who is on TV the most, and how much steak they can eat before loosening their belts on their fat guts at the local Sizzler.

The average person in Kansas is a goober moron Wal Mart shopping shlub. They are almost as part of the idiocracy as the polar bear hunters in the urban areas and the rest of the humanoids that are breeding and consuming and "Slouching towards Gomorrah" with great abandon.

It will take a natural or man made catastrophe and or a cult of personality strong enough to wake these fat flip flop wearers from their perpetual deep fried, trans fat, high fructose corn syrup food comas.

14 posted on 08/06/2014 12:42:27 AM PDT by Captainpaintball (Immigration without assimilation is the death of a nation)
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Stop giving in to despair. It’s silly and a waste of energy.


15 posted on 08/06/2014 12:42:30 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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hard-left socialist like Mark Kirk in the U.S. Senate

Your words mock reality. Durbin, yes. Kirk, no.

16 posted on 08/06/2014 12:44:21 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: BillyBoy

I think your count is somewhat off.

Is it “staunch(ly) conservative” to vote for maintaining MFN status with Red China, and to normalize trade with Vietnam? How about the statist move of countenancing “fast track” presidential trade authority? How about the extension of the “roving” warrantless wiretaps that the NSA was fond of abusing (a 2011 vote)? How about his pro-subsidy stance on agriculture? Never mind voting yes to confirm John Roberts? Furthermore, there is his liberal stances with respect to Iraq during the war, much of which have been debunked by ISIS/ISIL.

Some of the big votes that are staunchly liberal cannot have their impact measured by percentage of raw votes on the perceived conservative side.


17 posted on 08/06/2014 12:45:15 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: RginTN

Sounds like someone’s been in IL too long, from that spate of posts.


18 posted on 08/06/2014 12:47:00 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: House Atreides; All

We need instant run off or similar mechanisms in our elections to allow minority parties and party factions to have a voice not run by big money.


19 posted on 08/06/2014 1:00:45 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: nathanbedford
You are, I believe, over-reacting.

Reason being: Pat Roberts was not a good target, while Milton Wolf was something less than a good champion.

In general, there's nothing wrong with the way Pat Roberts votes -- he is a reliable conservative. Incumbency and tenure alone were not a sufficient reason to dump him.

In this regard, I have some inside information: My sis, the social worker, a radical lib who resides in Kansas, hates Pat Roberts with a purple passion. For me, that serves as an endorsement.

Milton Wolf, on the other hand, marshaled few arguments for his election beyond Roberts' incumbency and tenure plus his election might somehow embarrass his distant cousin. Frankly, he struck me as a bit of a kook and something less than a serious candidate.

By the way, my sis was rooting for Wolf -- on the premise that he would be easier for the Democrat to beat in the general election.

In other words, Roberts vs Wolf is not a contest that should reflect upon the Tea Party movement in any way.

20 posted on 08/06/2014 1:43:21 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance on parade.)
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