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Clashes in Kiev as Ukraine moves to clear Independence Square protest camp
UK Telegraph ^ | 8-7-2014 | Roland Oliphant

Posted on 08/07/2014 8:07:24 AM PDT by tcrlaf

Protesters and police have clashed in central Kiev as authorities moved to clear the protest camp on Independence Square.

Black smoke billowed over the city centre as protesters set fire to barricades and hurled cobblestones at police and interior ministry troops who arrived to remove tents and barricades on Thursday morning.

Clashes erupted when municipal workers equipped with cranes and backed by police and interior ministry troops arrived to clear tents on Khreshyatik street, the city's main thoroughfare, early on Thursday

Ukrainian media reported the fires had been extinguished and many tents removed by early afternoon.

It is not known how many were injured in the clashes.

The protest camp on Independence Square, or the Maidan, as it is commonly known, was the epicentre of the revolution that led to the overthrow of Viktor Yanukovych in February.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: kiev; maidan; riot
The dissenters against the old regime are dissenting against the new regime, and that simply cannot be allowed.

So, in roll the tanks!

1 posted on 08/07/2014 8:07:24 AM PDT by tcrlaf
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To: tcrlaf
But many Kiev locals have grown tired of the disruption caused by the camp, which some say has become a haven for petty crime and drunkenness since most activists left.

The fighting reveals splits in post-revolutionary Ukraine, with the two interior ministry battalions used to clear the square – Kiev 1 and Kiev 2 – drawn from former Maidan activists.


2 posted on 08/07/2014 8:09:16 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf

sounds like obama is running the show


4 posted on 08/07/2014 8:10:46 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: tcrlaf

You sure we haven't been here before?

6 posted on 08/07/2014 8:14:23 AM PDT by McGruff (Seems like some are more interested in protecting Ukraine's border than ours)
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Two Comments Removed by Moderator in the first five. That's gotta be a record.
8 posted on 08/07/2014 8:16:27 AM PDT by McGruff (Seems like some are more interested in protecting Ukraine's border than ours)
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To: McGruff; tcrlaf

Please do not post copyrighted photos. Thanks.


9 posted on 08/07/2014 8:17:10 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: McGruff

Must be copyrighted pics.


10 posted on 08/07/2014 8:17:30 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: 1rudeboy

He only reads what he wants, truth is not important to him.


12 posted on 08/07/2014 8:17:51 AM PDT by Almondjoy
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Sorry. Didn’t notice a copyright.


13 posted on 08/07/2014 8:18:21 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

I must admit I didn’t know much about Ukraine until I saw pictures of this rioting in Kiev with firebombs being thrown at the police and such. I said to myself I’d better check this out. I’m much wiser(or at least well informed) now.


14 posted on 08/07/2014 8:25:03 AM PDT by McGruff (Seems like some are more interested in protecting Ukraine's border than ours)
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To: McGruff

“I didn’t know much about Ukraine until I saw pictures of this rioting in Kiev “

Likewise...
Then I started noticing the wild spin, and started researching.


15 posted on 08/07/2014 8:26:50 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: McGruff
I must admit I didn’t know much about Ukraine....


16 posted on 08/07/2014 8:27:04 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf
Twitter pic from Michael Bociurkiw, OSCE Spokesperson for the Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine
17 posted on 08/07/2014 8:29:13 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: 1rudeboy

“many Kiev locals have grown tired of the disruption caused by the camp”

The “kiev locals” being the ones in the Government buildings, whose new careers could be at risk from the threats of a new Maidan, because they believe the other Maidan has been sold out.


18 posted on 08/07/2014 8:31:33 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Your “research” shows that?


19 posted on 08/07/2014 8:32:02 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy; All

Liveleak video,

Maidan 2.0 Behind the Scenes Interviews with Activists 07-08-14
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c87_1407420369&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


20 posted on 08/07/2014 8:36:25 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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37 Days
40%

Support It Or Lose It

21 posted on 08/07/2014 8:44:02 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: 1rudeboy

Aren’t they precious? Both are regularly quoting Russian-language publications, yet no clue what Ukraine is and why Russia is obsessed with it. Malignant Russism of the brain?


22 posted on 08/07/2014 8:59:32 AM PDT by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: Samogon

If I told any one of my clients that my “research” consists of following Twitter he’d reply, “let’s make this your last paycheck.”


23 posted on 08/07/2014 9:05:01 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf

Russian agents again stirring up trouble as Putin prepares for more war in east.


24 posted on 08/07/2014 9:15:57 AM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: 1rudeboy

I’ll say one thing for you, you picked the right screen name. Maybe when you get older you’ll learn how discuss things like an adult.


25 posted on 08/07/2014 9:29:35 AM PDT by McGruff (Seems like some are more interested in protecting Ukraine's border than ours)
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To: McGruff

Those on the streets were piling up wood stacks to see them through the winter several weeks ago..... Mayor tried to move them awhile ago to no avail. Had formal meetings with the leaders etc. without any success in getting them to move out.

They’re being funded somehow.....follow the money would certainly apply.


26 posted on 08/07/2014 9:36:31 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww
Could it be Soros heavily invested in Ukraine crisis?
27 posted on 08/07/2014 9:40:16 AM PDT by McGruff (Seems like some are more interested in protecting Ukraine's border than ours)
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To: McGruff

Continue to toe the Kremlin line, and you’ll get nothing of the sort from me, Ivan.


28 posted on 08/07/2014 9:40:30 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: caww
Then there's IMF warns Ukraine on bailout if it loses east
29 posted on 08/07/2014 9:55:57 AM PDT by McGruff (How's that Hopey Changey Thingy workin out for ya?)
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To: McGruff
Soros was a part of the Orange Revolution as well....he's a bottom feeder as we know.

Soros isn't the only one spreading his wealth around in Ukraine politics...there's so many working behind the scenes....."the enemy of my enemy is my friend"....runs throughout Ukraine, on the ground and in their politics.

With all the deep corruption there can you imagine the money flowing through hands!!!


30 posted on 08/07/2014 9:59:02 AM PDT by caww
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To: McGruff

Well they said that back in May..but the money flowed nonetheless.......

IMF isn’t interested in Ukraine itself....they want it as a debtor nation to funnel revenues through to the corporations and entity vultures waiting on the sidelines.

Already billions have flowed through Ukraine....and still they can’t control their people in the East nor in Kiev...and their army continues to be without what funds were intended for.

So there’s many on the take in Ukraine.....nothings changed except how they are funneling it and the faces.


31 posted on 08/07/2014 10:04:12 AM PDT by caww
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To: McGruff
I’ll say one thing for you, you picked the right screen name. Maybe when you get older you’ll learn how discuss things like an adult.

Says the stupid PaulBot who has posted to anti-semitic articles accusing Israel and the United States of false flag terror attacks.

You're nothing but a propagandist and a pathological liar. Barely human, in my opinion.

32 posted on 08/07/2014 4:27:42 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: caww
Soros was a part of the Orange Revolution as well....he's a bottom feeder as we know.

What do you know? You get your news by watching YouTube videos posted from Islamist/Iranian websites and Russkie TV.

33 posted on 08/07/2014 4:28:40 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Samogon

It is soviet Rabies. They got bit by Russian media and the disease went straight to the brain.


34 posted on 08/07/2014 4:29:50 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Not far off the mark. They’re like zombies. “McCain. McCaaiinnn.”


35 posted on 08/07/2014 5:30:29 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf; McGruff
“I didn’t know much about Ukraine until I saw pictures of this rioting in Kiev “

Likewise... Then I started noticing the wild spin, and started researching.

While some of us have been monitoring Putin's moves on Ukraine and Georgia on thread-after-thread for over 14 years.

36 posted on 08/07/2014 6:20:28 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: caww

So why did Ukraine shell the hospital in Donetsk today?


37 posted on 08/07/2014 7:53:18 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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How much went to Russia to re-pay Ukrainian debt to Russia?

It was "billions" wasn't it?

It was almost like a bribe -- hey Russia, don't attack, the West will loan this money to help them pay off their debt to you...then..they will be indebted to Western bankers

Don't let guys like tclaf lead you around by the nose with his constant RT slant on EVERYTHING Ukraine.

It is not as simple (Western powers trying to take over Ukraine by stealth or something) as the Putin-bot would have people around here believe it to be.

38 posted on 08/07/2014 9:39:30 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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Ukraine still owes Russia a great deal, which Russia likely won't see anytime soon if at all. No bribe about it. If you owe, you owe regardless.

As for RT information....it's wise to know what both sides of any issue is saying so I will continue to view RT and other foreign news sites as well as our own, which if you care to look you will find well informed American, and other national leaders, speaking and debating ‘there’ because our news sources won't air differing views that aren't in line with obamas agenda.

Furthermore if leading journalists, politicians and news agencies are viewing RT and commenting favorable or not...so too will I and others. Without knowing what others are saying and debating you will only have a closed view of what's occurring.

You are mistaken to think that people on FR are being lead by any...Freepers are free thinkers period, and don't need to be lead nor do they have a desire to be so. But they are certainly free to agree with others point of view based on their own conclusions and perceptions.

The situation with Ukraine is not simple no matter what view one has, and most have several because it's so layered with many moving parts and parties involved. Additionally Ukraine is a pivot nation that many have vested interest in. The last thing it's about is what the citizens of Ukraine want.

39 posted on 08/07/2014 10:35:54 PM PDT by caww
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
..."What do you know?"....


40 posted on 08/07/2014 10:45:19 PM PDT by caww
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To: tcrlaf

The Trojans move in on the ships of the Myrmidons where Achilles nurses his anger.


41 posted on 08/08/2014 8:38:43 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Almondjoy

Don’t worry he’ll derp derp derp NAZIS! Within a couple of posts...


42 posted on 08/08/2014 8:42:12 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: caww

If you are going to go to all the trouble to tell me things I already know, then why not extend just a bit more effort to acknowledge that large portions of the funds sent months ago to Ukraine went to the Russians to pay down part of the debt for (chiefly) natural gas used by Ukraine in the past Fall/Winter period?

In that way it was something of a bribe from the West, to Russia, for Western nations did not owe Ukraine, but instead in effect made partial payment on Ukraine's past due bill to Russia.

That was the point I was hoping to make. I mean...how obvious does it have to be? Please don't tell me you didn't catch on to that when it was occurring.

As long as it is recognized that that station has agenda to (usually subtly) demonize the West (the U.S. in particular) while making Russia out to be 'righteous' (which it is not much) then go ahead and look, but do not believe a single things you are hearing. Chasing down each and every item to verify or falsify it, would make watching that station a full time job for more than a few people. The distortions that can be found there are hidden behind the complexities of the situations which are there touched upon. Beware.

Personally, I think there are people here on FR (and worse elsewhere in the U.S.) who have been fallen into something a trance, believing far too much of the Russian propaganda. It is far easier to tell lies than it is to unwrap and expose the errors, shadings and outright lies mixed in with all the rest.

How many news anchors have to quit in disgust before you get it? RT is a U.S. based, Russian propaganda outlet. It is it's very reason for being.

I am mistaken nothing here.

People are influenced and led (one way or another) even on the pages of FR. I have noticed that phenom in other contexts (besides talking about Ukraine).

What I was talking about on that score was not only RT, but the noisy one which I had mentioned. THAT person does try to lead people around this way or that, ridiculing each and every statement which does not align with Putin propaganda RT spin. I've seen enough of that. The pattern has had enough filling out since February to see it for what it is.

Not all freepers are that "free" of thinkers either, sad to say. Over the years, some of the best and wisest among us have literally died off. A few others have been virtually run off by the ignorant. For many others, the complexity of the situation itself precludes fuller expression..so we end up with short quips of comment instead.

Comment away. Whatever blows your skirts up.

When living in times of near universal deceit, with some of that arising innocently enough due to lack of full information, and/or the very complexities there honestly are to things, too close of focus on "what they are saying" can produce distraction from the more fundamental -- with that fundamental also often enough viewed differently from either side as they become enraptured of their own rhetoric, as is the case for the Russians and their seeming supporters here on FR, even more than the self aware(?), conflicted and complicated "West".

In this instance there needs to be far more than simply listening (and believing) to RT criticisms of European Eastern Trade Alliance

You don't say.

43 posted on 08/08/2014 3:02:04 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: caww

Greetings....


44 posted on 08/08/2014 9:02:29 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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