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Glenn Grothman wins 6th District GOP congressional primary
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel ^ | 8-12-14 | Don Behm

Posted on 08/12/2014 9:11:11 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic

State Sen. Glenn Grothman (R-Campbellsport) outpolled three fellow Republicans in the primary to advance to the general election for the Congressional District. He will face Democrat Mark Harris, the Winnebago County executive, in the Nov. 4 election.

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1 posted on 08/12/2014 9:11:12 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; ...

Yay!

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list.


2 posted on 08/12/2014 9:12:07 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

victory? defeat? for Freeepers?
analysis? BIO?


3 posted on 08/12/2014 9:20:22 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (Let the dead bury the dead. Let the GOP bury the GOP.)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

http://atr.rollcall.com/wisconsin-primary-results-republicans-nominate-grothman-in-6th-district/?dcz=


4 posted on 08/12/2014 9:29:19 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic; Diana in Wisconsin

I’m sitting here at my computer and am SOOOO VERY EXCITED that Glenn Grothman won tonight. I’m not even in his district any more, supported him 150%.

Thanks to all of you who DID vote for Glenn. Thanks a million times. He is the best of the best. Last time I talked to him was last week and he was very nervous. Typical Glenn. I wish I was at his victory party, but alas could not make it up there.

Very proud of him. Man...that’s hard to say about a political candidate now isn’t it. woo hoo. Great night.


5 posted on 08/12/2014 9:30:15 PM PDT by WaterWeWaitinFor (Would Winston Churchill stand still for all this nonsense? Cruz our new Churchill?)
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To: campaignPete R-CT; Diana in Wisconsin; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; cotton1706; Viennacon; ...

This is good Pete, this guy is a leading conservative in the State Senate, big improvement over the retiring Petri.

It appears this is only thread anyone has made about tonight’s elections, I guess no one gives a damn when there isn’t a contested Senate primary.

In other news, Tom Foley beats the RINO scion McKinney for the GOP nomination for CT Governor, sets up the rematch with rat Governor Malloy.
Angel Cadena, your preferred choice for Comptroller, loses 3-1 to a very unfortunate looking lady.

The 3-way primary for LT. Gov is too close to call, with State Rep. Penny Bacchiochi nearly tied with Gronton City Councilwoman Heather Somers, your guy Walker is bringing up the rear and appears to be out of it. There appears to be some controversy about Bacchiochi, she alleged Walker was behind attacks on her Black husband (which he denies) or something and she had to fire a staffer for making some kind of comment on “white privilege”. Such a contentious race for CT. LT., interesting.

In Minnesota, the party endorsed Jeff Johnson wins a close and very open primary for Governor over several other candidates.

Party Endorsed Mike McFadden wins the Senate nomination in a landslide over Paultard State Rep. Jim Abeler, who unsurprisingly chose not to respect the party convention and stayed in the race. The wealthy McFadden has a real shot against moonbat Senator Al Franken, the race is 12th on my list of 12 rat seats I think we have a real chance to win.

In Bachmann’s open CD 6, Tom Emmer wins the primary as expected and is a lock for November.


6 posted on 08/12/2014 10:15:26 PM PDT by Impy (Think for yourself)
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To: Impy; campaignPete R-CT; AuH2ORepublican; BillyBoy

It appears Grothman was the one who scared Petri into retirement in the first place. Now if only we could similarly get someone to scare out Sensenbrenner and Amnesty Paul...


7 posted on 08/12/2014 10:32:20 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Indeed, he did scare him out. Petri had no intention of facing his first real opponent since the 1992 general.


8 posted on 08/12/2014 10:39:49 PM PDT by Impy (Think for yourself)
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To: Impy

Slowly and steadily we might take back the GOP.


9 posted on 08/12/2014 11:24:59 PM PDT by ZULU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qLDFiQcjlY Impeach Obama in 2015 !!!)
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To: Impy

Bacchiochi leads by 23 votes and the remaining votes appear to be from her home area.

She is flawed, backed by CT GOP House caucus. But she is strong on gun rights. Most teaparty groups united behind Somers in their opposition to McKinney.

Team Boughton was betrayed by SOmers so they backed Bacchiocki.

Walker did well in upper income towns that were impressed by his resume. He’s no local yocal.

What a ghost town primary. Disgraceful that the teaparty did not follow the adage of power loves a vacuum. Foley has done little to earn support from the grassroots right.


10 posted on 08/13/2014 12:32:23 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (Let the dead bury the dead. Let the GOP bury the GOP.)
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To: Impy; campaignPete R-CT; Diana in Wisconsin; fieldmarshaldj; cotton1706; Viennacon

Jeff Johnson—the name you know.


11 posted on 08/13/2014 2:36:53 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: campaignPete R-CT; Impy

According to AP, with 100% of precincts reporting, Heather Sumers leads Penny Bacchiochi by 716 votes. Don’t know what is still outstanding (maybe some absentee and provisional ballots?).


12 posted on 08/13/2014 2:52:22 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: Impy; campaignPete R-CT; Diana in Wisconsin; fieldmarshaldj; cotton1706; Viennacon

While the race was called for Glenn Grothman relatively early, AP reports that, with 6 precincts still outstanding, Grothman leads Joe Leibham by only 215 votes. Yet AP called the race for Grothman. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2014/by_state/WI_US_House_0812.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS

What gives?


13 posted on 08/13/2014 2:58:36 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Of course, Foley had the race openly stolen from him in 2010, so he’s deserving of retribution against the crook Malloy for that. Frankly, unless they run separate of the Governor on the ballot, the Lt Governor should be chosen by the candidate if they’re elected together. I’d hate to be running and have someone in the #2 slot I was forced to run with that I was completely at odds with.


14 posted on 08/13/2014 3:07:26 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

I knew you were gonna go there. Hopefully this time Jeff unseats the imbecilic Mark Dayton.


15 posted on 08/13/2014 3:08:19 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Did he receive the cross-endorsement of the Silver Foxes Party?

But seriously, Johnson is a first-tier challenger, and hopefully he’ll win by enough so that Dayton can’t steal it again.


16 posted on 08/13/2014 3:15:45 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

It’s that “Independence Party” that is the menace in MN. It allows plurality victories (or close enough to steal them) for the DFL moonbats at the expense of the center-right majority.


17 posted on 08/13/2014 3:27:36 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

It looks like Petri did something good after all.


18 posted on 08/13/2014 8:34:50 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Victory all the way, althogh the lead has narrowed to a sliver this AM.


19 posted on 08/13/2014 8:44:56 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: WaterWeWaitinFor
Last time I talked to him was last week and he was very nervous. Typical Glenn.

He sounded great on Charlie Sykes this AM. Very confident and ready for the November battle.

20 posted on 08/13/2014 8:46:27 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Something went odd in Sheboygan county. They recounted and sent new numbers, narrowing Grothman’s lead after AP had called the race. More to come.


21 posted on 08/13/2014 8:49:20 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: AuH2ORepublican

What “gives” is that Leibham strongholds of Sheboygan and Manitowoc reported late and Leibham won those. Glenn is still in the lead and still expects to win this.

I was working a poll yesterday in a County that Grothman won. I the voters in this district are split between those who once were represented by Grothman and those who were never represented by Grothman when he was either an Assemblyman, or State Senator. People who were once represented by Grothman heavily voted for Grothman. Ares that had never been represented by Grothman voted for Stroebal which I think is the direct result of Stroebals negative, unfair, and untruthful campaign ads against Grothman. apparently those ads worked amongst the people who did not know Grothman.

Also, the State Senator (Darling) who represents those people unexplainably came out in favor of Leibham. I think this cost Grothman some votes he would otherwise have gotten.

I don’t know what happened there because Darling and Grothman have worked together for years, but she is dead to me after her fundraisers and endorsements of Leibham.


22 posted on 08/13/2014 8:55:10 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Wow......... didn’t know that about Alberta Darling and her backing of Liebham. Agreed... she and Glenn worked together for years. What’s up with that. Do you know why?

Disappointed in her for that reason.


23 posted on 08/13/2014 12:42:41 PM PDT by WaterWeWaitinFor (Would Winston Churchill stand still for all this nonsense? Cruz our new Churchill?)
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To: WaterWeWaitinFor

Nobody I know seems to be able to answer that question. Alberta gave a fancy ;fund raiser at her home (AT HER HOME in River Hills) for Joe, and then she wrote a heaartfelt endorsement. I think I even got a personal email from her. Everybody I know is just stunned. Glenn went to the mat for her when they tried to recall her. I don’t get it.


24 posted on 08/13/2014 12:51:34 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: WaterWeWaitinFor
Here's the email she sent out the day before the election:
Hi xxxx,

As a fellow resident of the 6th District, I am pleased to offer my endorsement to Joe Leibham in his effort to become our next congressman in Washington. I will be casting my vote for Joe Leibham today and encourage you to do so as well.

I have worked with Joe in the State Senate for the past number of years and know firsthand that Joe Leibham is a solid conservative who is a leader in getting things done. Joe and I were on the front line in the Joint Finance Committee standing with Governor Walker and fighting for the taxpayers of our state. Joe never flinched, even when he, his wife and three young children were threatened.

Joe is a tireless worker and has lead efforts to support job creation, entitlement reform and the photo ID for voting law.

Our federal government needs to be reformed, and Joe Leibham has developed the experience here in Wisconsin that will serve him well in Washington as he seeks to restore the greatness of our nation.

We need more people like Joe Leibham in Congress. Joe is honest, respectful, intelligent and hard working. Joe has the character to make us proud and the confidence to stand up for what is in the best interest of our nation's future.

I know the other candidates and after serious consideration as to who I believe would best represent me and our area in the United States Congress, my decision was easy — Joe Leibham is the right choice for congress.

I respectfully encourage you to join me in voting for Joe Leibham for Congress in today's primary election.

Sincerely,

Alberta Darling State Senator - 8th District

For more information on Joe Leibham check out - www.leibham.com

She could have substituted the name Glenn Grothman throughout that letter. When it became apparent that Glenn was NOT going to be recalled, he turned all his effort and resources to support Alberta. Those of us in Ozaukee County certainly didn't see (or hear of) Joe Leibham throughout that whole ordeal.

Plus, Glenn authored most of Walker's Bills that have put the State back on a sound fiscal basis. Joe has done nothing, by comparison.

25 posted on 08/13/2014 1:35:07 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: fieldmarshaldj
It appears Grothman was the one who scared Petri into retirement in the first place.

That's not entirely accurate. My State Rep. Duey Stroebel (R-Cedarburg) actually scared Petri into retirement when he announced publicly that he was considering a challenge to Petri. That put Stroebel on all 5 Milwaukee conservative talk radio shows.

Before Duey could formally announce his challenge, Grothman (my state senator) unexpectedly jumped in to challenge Petri the very next day. The Grothman move was unexpected because he did NOT live in the recently redrawn and very large congressional district. Petri, sensing that any conservative challenge would likely result in his electoral defeat, chose not to run. Stroebel probably would have joined Grothman to challenge Petri, but establishment-leaning State Sen. Joe Leibham (R-Sheboygan) would not.

Kudos to Grothman, a career politician, for his aggressive action. He made a similar move 8 years ago to challenge a RINO State Senate Majority Leader.

While I like Glen as my state senator, I would really have rather seen Stroebel or even Leibham win the congressional seat. I've met often with Grothman - both as a private constituent and as a government affairs professional - and I have always found him to be rather odd.

He is middle-aged, single, never married and he doesn't watch TV or movies. He reads policy books. He's never really run a business or faced concerns about making a home mortgage payment. He has no children and has never had to worry about getting multiple kids to concurrently scheduled baseball practice, music lessons and a dentist's appointment. He may be conservative politically, but he has ZERO direct understanding of the daily lives of most of his constituents and supporters.

I know it's not really fair to Glen, but I get the same creepy, eccentric vibe from him as I did from US Sen. Herb Kohl.

I'm also not real happy that the result of last night's primary effectively removes 3 conservative/Republican voices from the state legislature. Stroebel & Leibham had to give up their seats to run for Congress and Grothman's victory will necessitate a special election to fill the remaining 2 years of his state senate seat in January.

While it would make sense politically, I doubt Stroebel wants to self-finance a campaign for Grothman's seat. Rumors are already flying that former Assembly Leader Jeff Fitzgerald is considering moving from nearby Horicon to run for the seat.

I really shouldn't complain about a primary that featured 3 really good conservatives (OK, 2 conservatives and 1 nearly conservative Republican), BUT this morning I feel really shortchanged with the 3rd best guy winning the race.

26 posted on 08/13/2014 1:52:39 PM PDT by Sideshow Bob
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Why are you surprised by Darling? She is 100% GOP-e with conservative leanings - kind of like Charlie Sykes.

Despite his best efforts and intentions, state GOP leaders have never liked Glenn - they only tolerate him.

Expect more of the same in Congress.

27 posted on 08/13/2014 2:02:37 PM PDT by Sideshow Bob
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To: afraidfortherepublic

gooshy isn’t it? Yep... insert Glenn’s name. This is where they part company. This is why politics is so disgusting sometimes - most times. I DO remember him going to the mat for her and wow, at meetings I was at and everything he could do for her, he did.

He is tireless in that area. Yes he’s going up against the big boys like boo hoo bonehead, etc. Thanks for posting that letter. Sickeningly gooshy. ugh.

She had robo calls out for Ralph Prescott, too. I had one on my answering machine a few days ago.


28 posted on 08/13/2014 3:17:23 PM PDT by WaterWeWaitinFor (Would Winston Churchill stand still for all this nonsense? Cruz our new Churchill?)
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To: Impy

There are important non Senate races that will affect the Senate.

In Arizona McCain needs a protege in the SoS, Gov or AG races. McCain or Graham might get to replace Hagel in 2017 so McCain may retire or retire in 2017 if nominated.

Paul Ryan and Sensenbrenner sold out on many issues. So you at least want the open primaries to go to conservatives. Duffy is nothing special; happy he didn’t break 90%.

Right Wing Watch said Grothman was a bad guy so that means he is the choice.


29 posted on 08/13/2014 3:31:12 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: afraidfortherepublic

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/people/glenn-grothman

It means he is the good guy.


30 posted on 08/13/2014 3:50:39 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

I’m not sure that endorsement from Santorum did anything for Glenn, but I was certainly glad to see it. It did not surprise me because of Glenn’s strong pro-life record.


31 posted on 08/13/2014 6:27:04 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Sideshow Bob

I couldn’t disagree with you more about Grothman. He is Mr. Solid Conservative. I’ve known him for more than 20 years, and I know his mother, father and brother, as well. He’s been my representative, or Senator all that time and I was part of the group that strongly encouraged him to run against Mary Panzer when she forgot all about her constituents after she became Majority Leader.

Duey Stroebal should be taken to the woodshed for his malicious, untruthful, and unfair ad campaign against Grothman and Leibham. Duey used to be my Rep too, until recently. I used to like him, but no more. I think he’s a disgrace — or at least his ads were. He took some very bad advice for this campaign and it will haunt him in the future if he continues in politics.


32 posted on 08/13/2014 6:37:10 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; ...

UPDATE! The AP has now WITHDRAWN their prediction that Grothman won this election. The vote between Grothman and Leibham is only 215 ballots apart with Grothman still in the lead. There is sure to be a recount.


33 posted on 08/13/2014 7:12:09 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Every liberal website is upset that he won. Even some are admitting he is a shoe-in for the general.

“Top Vote suppressor looks headed to Congress”


34 posted on 08/13/2014 8:52:57 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Politics


35 posted on 08/13/2014 9:21:04 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: cornelis; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; campaignPete R-CT; Clintonfatigued

Lame, I hope he hangs on. As for the CT. LT it’s all over, Penny Bacchiochi concedes to Heather Somers


36 posted on 08/13/2014 9:36:13 PM PDT by Impy (Think for yourself)
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To: Impy
Impy, my eyes are kind of blurred tonite..meds overload. Are you reporting that all of the good guys have either won or are leading contenders??
37 posted on 08/13/2014 10:55:54 PM PDT by itssme
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To: AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; campaignPete R-CT; Clintonfatigued; GreatOne; John Semmens; ...

Odds and ends from Minnestoa, the underfunded Jim Hagedorn (son of former Rep. Tom Hagedorn who lost to rat Tim Penny in 1982) won the GOP nomination in CD-1 over the party-endorsed Aaron Miller.

And the unincorporated village of Cormorant in Becker County elected a dog to the unofficial position of “Mayor”. I bet he’ll have a zero% approval rating amongst the town’s cats, good thing they can’t be bothered to vote.


38 posted on 08/13/2014 11:02:11 PM PDT by Impy (Think for yourself)
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To: itssme

Well, Grothman won the primary for WI-6, narrowly, might be a recount. He should win in November with little trouble though the rats have a real candidate. He is definitely a good guy.

In the CT Governor’s race, Foley might not be all that great, but McKinney is a RINO’S RINO from a RINO family so his defeat is great news. Foley leads in the polls against the democrat Governor (and actually beat him 4 years ago, the election was stolen).

For the MN Senate, McFadden’s nomination was a sure thing after his only real opponents dropped out following the state GOP convention’s decision to endorse him. He has a real chance against the great clown, Franken. And I think the gubernatorial nominee, Jeff Johnson, has a real chance against the equally clownish rat Governor, Dayton.


39 posted on 08/13/2014 11:11:30 PM PDT by Impy (Think for yourself)
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To: Impy

Thanks for the info. So then we’re talking about potential wins in WI,, CT and MN? Were there then three states that had a run off?


40 posted on 08/13/2014 11:53:49 PM PDT by itssme
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

Looks like he’s the right choice, doesn’t it?


41 posted on 08/14/2014 6:24:07 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
You obviously didn't read my post. I never said Glenn wasn't conservative. He is - very much so.

I voted for Duey. He is at least as conservative - if not more - as Grothman plus Duey is a citizen legislator and a businessman AND an involved father of a large family. Duey was the candidate who would represent me best because he shared the most ideas and faced the same challenges as me. You're right, Duey took bad advice from a bad campaign manager. Even so, I still think he would have been the best man for the job.

Leibham is a conservative leaning GOPe, but I preferred him to Grothman for Congress because he shared more beliefs and life experiences as I do.

Grothman does NOT share my life experiences. He has no direct knowledge about how difficult it is to raise a family or run a business, make a payroll or struggle with a mortgage. People can tell him about it or he can read about it in a book - because he doesn't watch TV or movies to see society's reflections of family life. Being a wonky textbook conservative just is NOT enough for me. I don't expect Glenn to be a TMZ expert, but he should be at least aware of how entertainment media are impacting the family lives of his constituents.

Again, I like Glenn as my state senator. In a body of just 33 senators or in a 19 member caucus, being an odd duck and conservative policy wonk is a good thing. But I don't think Glenn will be very effective as a lone wolf oddball in a House of 435 or a caucus of 240. He probably would be more effective in the US Senate.

I will vote for Grothman, but I'm not real thrilled about it.

42 posted on 08/14/2014 7:38:29 AM PDT by Sideshow Bob
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To: Sideshow Bob

Of course I read your post. I just disagree. Do you honestly think Duey would be better? He has little experience as a legislator and even less success. He’s authored 3 Bills under Walker vs. 50 for Glenn. He’s untested. (He wasn’t there for the lockout at the Capital.)

As my husband asks, “Why would a guy with 8 kids want to go to DC?”

Duey is likeable (or was) but his campaign this cycle was atrocious. I’m glad he lost. I’m just sorry that he undermined Glenn. It really showed at the poll where I worked. Glenn won both boxes easily, but Duey had a stronger showing in the box where the people had never been represented by either of them. I think that is where Duey’s negative campaign paid off. But not enough to win, and there are many people who will never forget it. (or forgive)

We can count on Glenn.


43 posted on 08/14/2014 7:48:23 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: itssme

The last runoff was July 22nd, Georgia. David Perdue beat Jack Kingston for the Senate nomination, which I think was the wrong choice but he leads rat Michelle Nunn in the polls. And Bob Barr lost his in his attempted Congressional comeback to conservative Barry Loudermilk.

Alabama and NC had runoffs on July 15, not much was at stake but a strong conservative, Gary Palmer, was nominated in Alabama 6 (safe seat).


44 posted on 08/14/2014 9:01:35 AM PDT by Impy (Think for yourself)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I am still at Yellowstone with my family but making sure I am able to follow Glenn’s election on I heart radio. This is even in national news. I am so happy glenn won. I see quite a few people think that Duey would have been better because h has a large family. I believe because glenn does not have a family to worry about in D.C. he will be able to devote very minute to working for th people.


45 posted on 08/14/2014 9:24:00 AM PDT by Wisconsinlady (Is the GOP actually TRYING to lose in 2014 and 2016?)
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To: Wisconsinlady

I’ve just been called into City hall to recount our boxes. Grrrrrrr. (we were out of balance by one ballot)


46 posted on 08/14/2014 10:44:30 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Do you honestly think Duey would be better?

Yes, I do. I wrote a paragraph or two spelling out exactly why I thought Duey was a better choice. I thought you said you read my posts.

He (Duey Stroebel) has little experience as a legislator and even less success.

Again, I've already stated my preference for a citizen legislator like Duey as opposed to a career politician like Grothman. I'm not sure what you mean by your measurement of success comment.

He’s authored 3 Bills under Walker vs. 50 for Glenn. He’s untested. (He wasn’t there for the lockout at the Capital.)

No, Duey hasn't been in the Legislature for more than a decade like Glenn, so I don't really expect him to have authored a bazillion bills. And no, Duey wasn't holed up in a Capitol office during the Unionista sit-ins, which occurred before Duey ran for the Legislature. I'm not sure what test occurred that Glenn or Duey or even Leibham would not have met in a similar or identical fashion.

As my husband asks, “Why would a guy with 8 kids want to go to DC?”

Among the positive messages Duey highlighted was that he wanted to go to DC to work to make a better life for his children and the children of his constituents. Duey vowed to spend only as much time in DC as required, so that he could come home to his family. Glenn will have a much less pressing need to return home to the district.

Duey is likeable (or was) but his campaign this cycle was atrocious. I’m glad he lost. I’m just sorry that he undermined Glenn.

None of the 3 major candidates were clean on that count. Grothman's ads slagged Duey and played just as loose with facts and perceptions. If you want to fingerpoint, it would be accurate to say that Duey's ads "started" it. Again, this is where I think Duey went overboard on bad advice from a bad campaign manager.

It really showed at the poll where I worked. Glenn won both boxes easily, but Duey had a stronger showing in the box where the people had never been represented by either of them. I think that is where Duey’s negative campaign paid off.

I disagree. I think the Milwaukee radio talkers (Sykes moreso than Belling or Weber) took greater exception to Duey's ads. Sykes was especially smarmy in his reaction (note Charlie's apology today for his unfunny personal attack on Duey's children yesterday). I think the radio talkers' overreaction drove more negative reaction than the actual ads. Sykes has always disliked Duey, but perhaps Charlie's bile was more of an attempt to increase talk radio influence on the seat by kingmaking a Milwaukee exurban politician supported by more listeners to prevent victory for Leibham and his supporters on the fringe of the Milwaukee radio market. If so, it's quite possible that the talkers would have broken bad on Grothman instead of Duey if Glenn had "started" the mudslinging.

But not enough to win, and there are many people who will never forget it. (or forgive)

And there are those who won't forget that Grothman cravenly jumped ahead of Stroebel's informal candidacy into a race for a district in which Glenn did NOT live. "Politics ain't beanbag" as the saying goes, but Glenn broke a lot of political etiquette with his move. Political and industry professionals like myself notice things like that. This is where I advised Duey to focus any "attack" (along with the weird, loner wonk tag) on Glenn, but understand that it is a more esoteric distinction. Instead, his advisors pushed him to inaccurately lump Grothman together with Leibham.

We can count on Glenn...

...to be crass, blunt, brusque, clumsy and sometimes unintentionally offensive in his public comments at perhaps the most inopportune time. Just a prediction - the next time the GOP has a down year, Glenn will be vulnerable (more than Stroebel and Leibham would be) to a Democrat challenger from Winnebago or Sheboygan County.

Glenn's not an awful choice for the district. Just like Sensenbrenner, he's just not a really good one.

47 posted on 08/14/2014 2:47:40 PM PDT by Sideshow Bob
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FGS — Glenn has represented most of that district for the last decade. It is just a fluke that the legislature redrew the lines to excise Glenn out of a district that he had represented for a number of years. They excised me out of Duey’s district at the same time and gave our area to Dan Knodl in Germantown, leaving Glenn with no constituents in Cedarburg or south of Pioneer. In fact, I don’t think he has any constituents in Ozaukee County at present. I think his current district (as redrawn) is strictly Washington County.

Glenn has been a devoted legislator to our area for years, whether he’s representing us, or not, and is well known. He shows up at every meeting and discusses the ins and outs of Madison to whomever will listen. And he doesn’t show up at strictly Republican gatherings either. I’ve run into him at Farm Bureau, at Book Club discussions, at Maxwell Street, at the NRA convention in Milwaukee a few years back, at the County Fair. He’s always ready to explain what is happening and to listen to our concerns.

Glenn didn’t author 50 Bills over the last 10 years. He authored 50 Bills for Walker over the last 3 1/2 years, the same amount of time that Duey was there.

Glenn crafted one third of Walker’s legislative agenda that put us back on a firm fiscal basis. Joe didn’t do much during that period either. I’ve forgotten the exact number, but it is in the single digits. Glenn is a leader. The other 2 are back benchers.

I don’t listen to Charlie Sykes often, so I don’t know what you are talking about. But I thought Duey’s first TV ad (baseball theme) was just awful with his youngest child screaming “You’re out!” That was pretty ugly, and I’m glad he pulled it off the air finally. But that doesn’t excuse him for all the lies he told about both Joe and Glenn. He should fire his campaign manager and apologise.

BTW, I signed Duey’s nomination papers.


48 posted on 08/14/2014 4:00:54 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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Whatever.

Your posts are so factually incorrect, it's hard to know where to start.

Glenn's 20th Senate district encompasses all of Duey Stroebel's 60th Assembly District (the northern 2/3 of Ozaukee County and northeastern Washington County) plus Assembly Districts 58 & 59 (Washington County north of Richfield & Holy Hill minus parts of Hartford).

The only parts of Ozaukee County NOT in Glenn's & Duey's districts are Mequon-Thiensville and a lakeside portion of the Town of Grafton (given to Alberta Darling's district to make it safer for the GOP).

You keep trumpeting Grothman's "accomplishments" as a politician. For many conservatives, Glenn's lengthy time in office and the fact that he is both a lawyer & politician by trade are negative traits, not positive ones.

People perceive things differently. Charlie Sykes & Jay Weber think it's a great that Glenn doesn't watch TV & movies and prefers to read scholarly books of policy and political theory. I think it identifies him as an eccentric, out-of-touch wannabe academic.

I loved Duey's baseball ad and had a hand in its production. I'm not sure why you took offense to it. I think Duey would have had a better result if he had stuck to a campaign running against generic career and wonky politicians and promoting his successful business and family backgrounds.

If you were so mortally offended by the Stroebel campaign's exaggeration (please note: bad & poorly executed political exaggeration, not lies) of Grothman's record, you better dig deep and gird yourself for the fall general campaign.

As far as I know, Grothman is not a homeowner and pays no direct property taxes in the district (although some lamely argue his rental payments include a portion of his landlord's property taxes). Throw in Glenn's lifelong status as a childless single person and that he's never really been an entrepreneurial business owner and the Democrat's upcoming campaign attack characterization of Glenn Grothman as an out-of-touch firebrand policy geek will write themselves.

Again, I like Grothman as my state senator. I will be sad to see him leave that post. I just don't think his schtick will play well in DC.

Fortunately for Glenn and the GOP, the district is drawn favorably for Republicans

49 posted on 08/14/2014 8:49:18 PM PDT by Sideshow Bob
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I loved Duey's baseball ad and had a hand in its production. I'm not sure why you took offense to it.

Aha! Now it comes out. You were part of Duey's team. Hardly an uncomitted observer.

Well, everybody I know hated that ad. They had been neutral on Duey, and some were even fond of him until that ad. They grew to hate him. It seemed almost like child abuse to encourage the little child to yell "You're out!" in such an ugly manner. It was just swarmy.

And then all those ads that tried to make it look like Glenn took money from the unions when he had not -- conflating Glenn's fundraising with Joe's.

I guess I'd like you to think about where Walker's agenda might be without Glenn's help and expertise in getting it through? Do you think the state would be running a surplus right now?

I don't always agree with Glenn, which is why I considered all candidates. But, when push came to shove, Glenn was the only choice. As I said before, you can always count on Glenn to do what he says he's going to do. I'd rather have someone who reads (and thinks) wonky, philosophical books than just another pretty face and a glad hand. Duey's ads came off as "not ready for prime time."

Before you write off Mequon and Thiensville as insignificant -- consider that we are the largest municipality(ies) in Ozaukee County. Glenn once represented half of us, and Duey once represented a significantly smaller portion. But, people here still remember Glenn showing up everywhere and engaging his constituents, as well as those who were not his constituents. Duey? Not so much.

50 posted on 08/15/2014 2:04:37 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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