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Report: Companies desperate to avoid ObamaCare 'Cadillac tax' shifting costs to workers
Fox News ^ | Aug 14, 2014 | Jim Angle

Posted on 08/14/2014 3:38:38 AM PDT by Innovative

A national business group representing the nation’s large employers reported Wednesday that companies desperate to avoid a 40 percent ObamaCare “Cadillac tax” are finding ways to shift the costs to workers.

The so-called “Cadillac tax,” now four years away, will affect health plans that spend more than $10,200 per worker.

Meanwhile, employers are shifting workers into plans with higher deductibles, just as ObamaCare does in the health care exchanges, and using health savings accounts to help defray the costs.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; cadillactax; healthinsurance; obama; obamacare; obamacareemployers; socializedmedicine
I think most people don't realize that Obamacare actually PUNISHES companies that provide good health insurance to their workers.

Obamacare was never about helping people get healthcare -- it was and is about government control of the entire population. The government decides what medical care you deserve.

1 posted on 08/14/2014 3:38:38 AM PDT by Innovative
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To: Innovative
Obamacare was never about helping people get healthcare -- it was and is about government control of the entire population.

It was primarily aimed at getting an enormous cost item off the ledgers of major U.S. employers and onto the backs of the employees themselves (either directly or as taxpayers).

2 posted on 08/14/2014 3:54:25 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Alberta's Child

But why should the government be involved — companies used to be able to decide for themselves whether or not to offer health insurance to the employees and how much.

Obamacare is mandating what they should cover — such as birthcontrol — and punishes, i.e. taxes them with prohibitively large penalties if they do provide good medical insurance.


3 posted on 08/14/2014 3:57:16 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

Democrats, Unions Reach Deal on Taxing High-End Health Plans (2010)

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704281204575003040695279432.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsThird

Labor leaders and Democratic negotiators agreed Thursday to scale back a proposed new tax on high-end health-insurance plans, and the White House and congressional leaders pressed to reach a final deal on most aspects of the health-care bill by this weekend.

The tax, which was included in the Senate’s version of the health-care overhaul legislation but not the House plan, has been one of the key remaining issues as Democrats work to combine the health bills passed by the two chambers late last year.

Union leaders, as well as many House Democrats, are fiercely opposed to the tax on “Cadillac” insurance plans, which they say will hit many middle-class workers and undermine benefits unions have negotiated for their members. But President Barack Obama has supported the measure as a way both to pay for the health bill and to control overall health-care spending.

To make up for the lost revenue—and to increase subsidies for lower earners to buy health insurance—negotiators are considering increasing the financial hit on drug makers, nursing homes and medical-device makers, according to people familiar with the discussions.


I think the goal is to force everyone into a goobermint union.

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http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-employer-cost-per-hour-worker-2009-12


4 posted on 08/14/2014 4:03:01 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: Innovative
The government is involved because the voters want the government to be involved. It's a pattern that goes back to the establishment of the first modern socialist state, when the Prussian states were unified in the 1870s under Otto von Bismarck. The people elect leaders who impose all kinds of idiocy on employers, and the employers lobby bribe government officials to push this idiocy right back on the people.

The end result of all this is that employers will ultimately stop providing health insurance to their employees. That's exactly how it should be. Companies never really "decided for themselves" whether or not to offer health insurance to their employees. They were given enormous tax incentives to do it, and now the game has changed. It's really that simple.

5 posted on 08/14/2014 4:04:40 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Innovative

The quality of the health insurance coverage at my wife’s company dropped immediately after ObamaCare began 1/1/2013, and the employees share of the premium significantly increased.

Prior to that we have a very high quality plan for only a couple dollars a day for both us.


6 posted on 08/14/2014 4:18:14 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Alberta's Child

They were not given tax incentives to offer health insurance to employees.

During WWII the government installed wage controls (good old FDR) and companies could not attract new workers. So they started offering health insurance which wasn’t frozen by government. It was government causing the problem in the first place.


7 posted on 08/14/2014 4:28:59 AM PDT by Lets Roll NOW (A baby isn't a punishment, Obama is)
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To: Alberta's Child
It was primarily aimed at getting an enormous cost item off the ledgers of major U.S. employers and onto the backs of the employees themselves

King O is/was never a friend of corporations. The ACA Cadillac Rule is designed to scourge businesses which provide generous benefits to employees. The tax revenue was always destined to subsidize King O's redistribution plan and to punish success. This time, King O really screwed the pooch because the Cadillac Rule negatively impacts union members who boast some of the most generous benefit packages in corporate America.

8 posted on 08/14/2014 4:32:39 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Obama sends U.S. Marines to pick up his dog & basketballs. Benghazi? Nope.)
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To: Lets Roll NOW
I'm sorry, but you're absolutely wrong about this. An employee health insurance plan is a deductible business expense for an employer. For any other legitimate business expense I can think of, the expense has to relate to the business itself before the IRS would consider it a deductible expense.

It's also a tax-free benefit for an employee. This is also a huge incentive for both the employer and the employee. If your employer gave you $10,000 per year in bonuses, it would be taxable income. The same would be true if the employer paid $10,000 of your rent or mortgage payments every year ... or if they made $10,000 worth of car payments for you every year ... or if they paid $10,000 in life insurance premiums for your every year.

But for some reason health insurance has a special treatment carved out for it under Federal law, which is why companies even offer it these days -- decades after the wage controls of the 1940s were eliminated.

9 posted on 08/14/2014 4:36:38 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Alberta's Child

Why do people think this was ever an item which cost the employers? Ultimately all of the money for ANYTHING the company does comes from the people who buy or pay for that product. No company anywhere actually pays those costs, it is either passed on to the consumer directly, price inflation; or passed on indirectly, through wage stagnation or employee cuts, or cuts to benefits.

But it always goes back to the consumer sooner or later.


10 posted on 08/14/2014 4:39:43 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: NautiNurse
"King O" may have convinced you, and even most of his supporters, that he's no friend of corporations ... but one look at the contributors who financed his two election campaigns will tell you a whole different story. This administration basically functions as a wholly-owned subsidiary of GE.

The ACA Cadillac Rule is designed to scourge businesses which provide generous benefits to employees. The tax revenue was always destined to subsidize King O's redistribution plan and to punish success.

Obama isn't terribly bright, but even the most rabid leftists who do his thinking for him and draft the scripts for his teleprompter knew well that the ACA Cadillac Rule would generate almost $0 in revenue. They know this because they recognize that even crummy business owners are smart enough to know that there's no reason to pay a 40% tax on a benefit when it's much easier to just drop the benefit.

Keep in mind that most of the workers in the U.S. who have had these "Cadillac insurance plans" over the years are union employees of major U.S. corporations. "King O" has basically 'effed these union workers on behalf of these corporations.

11 posted on 08/14/2014 4:43:12 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Alberta's Child

Somebody needs to tell the GAO the Cadillac Tax revenue shouldn’t be included in the budget.


12 posted on 08/14/2014 4:50:25 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Obama sends U.S. Marines to pick up his dog & basketballs. Benghazi? Nope.)
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To: Innovative

Welcome to the club. I already have to pay a 20% deductible for any operation.


13 posted on 08/14/2014 4:56:24 AM PDT by Minsc
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To: Innovative

This abomination must be repealed before then.


14 posted on 08/14/2014 4:56:53 AM PDT by rupert f
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To: Innovative

...and the average cost of the healthcare plans for each of the nearly 3 million state employees in the U.S.? .....$11,500.


15 posted on 08/14/2014 5:08:28 AM PDT by TruthBeforeAll
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To: Innovative

The companies were blackmailed by their unions to develop and provide the Cadillac plans.

The union members and their retired brethren are the ones to suffer as normalcy sets in


16 posted on 08/14/2014 5:11:19 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: Innovative
we had our insurance meeting yesterday and as expected EVERYTHING went up...

at the end i ask the rep where my $2400 in savings i was promised was, everybody laughed except the RATS they just turned red in the faced and looked away

17 posted on 08/14/2014 5:11:30 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Innovative

What the left is clueless about BIG Government is BIG Business. Yet, Big Government is exempt of many mandates, regulations & audits ie check & balances.


18 posted on 08/14/2014 5:24:16 AM PDT by SIRTRIS
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To: Innovative

My company has no insurance, I have no insurance, I chose to NOT accept Obamacare.

Several weeks ago I was a victim of a violent crime, spent 6 days in the hospital, was told Obamacare was useless and would have not covered all the bills, instead Victims of Violent Crimes paid all my bills.

It was quite interesting to hear from a major hospital that they themselves thought Obamacare a useless travesty.

I am fortunate I believe to have listened to a higher calling to ignore signing up for Obamacare, it would have been wasted money probably diverted to democratic fundraising.


19 posted on 08/14/2014 5:28:55 AM PDT by Spartan302 (Summer in Alaska, winter in Australia! Riding year round.)
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To: wbarmy
Why do people think ...

That's just it, "thinking" has nothing to do with it.  A couple days ago an old buddy of mine was raving about how wonderful the PPACA was, and he was totally immune to the fact that medical costs are higher--

--and fewer have access now:


20 posted on 08/14/2014 5:40:39 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Innovative

We are seeing what anyone who dwells in the real world knew would happen years ago. Only an air castle dwelling ignoramus is foolish enough to believe that health care can be fixed by government. What is happening is the equivalent of someone who owns and drives a serviceable vehicle like a Toyota camry which gets him to his desired destination economically and without headaches but thinks that he can turn it into a Rolls Royce limousine by entering it in a demolition derby. We HAD a health care system, what we are heading toward is something that resembles health care in name only. Anyone with, as my late mother used to say,”One eye and a thimbleful of brains”, knew that the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act had absolutely nothing to do with either one. When they come up with a Diner Protection and Affordable Picnic Act you will know that starvation awaits us.


21 posted on 08/14/2014 5:45:29 AM PDT by RipSawyer (OPM is the religion of the sheeple.)
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To: expat_panama

As the years go by I become aware that many things I used to believe were only fantasy. I used to think that adults, unlike children, pondered the facts of the matter and came to a conclusion based on reason. All I can say about that now is HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. It is impossible for anyone who actually looks at the facts to believe that government could improve health care by legislation even with the very best of intent and the PPACA most certainly was NOT written with the very best of intent, or if it was it certainly must have been written by babbling idiots.


22 posted on 08/14/2014 5:59:29 AM PDT by RipSawyer (OPM is the religion of the sheeple.)
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To: Chode

Why didn’t you ask where your, “Twenty eight hundred percent reduction in premiums” went? I didn’t go far enough in math to be certain but I believe that would mean that the insurance company would have to pay you an annual amount that is 27 times what your premiums had been. I think a lot of people would be able to quit work and live on that or at least put it in the bank and build up one heck of a retirement account.

Obama actually said that some people would see their premiums drop by that much, he also claimed that anyone making less than a quarter million a year would get a tax reduction and I believe at one point even claimed that 95 percent of taxpayers would see their taxes cut. You should be out shopping for a yacht with all that.


23 posted on 08/14/2014 6:15:54 AM PDT by RipSawyer (OPM is the religion of the sheeple.)
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To: Alberta's Child

This is correct and really why every employee everywhere should be ticked off about Obamacare. Not only does it negatively impact the quality of healthcare offered by the employer, but it de-incentivizes the employer to pay the bulk of the premium for health insurance. In effect, it’s actually an immediate wage decrease for millions of workers (because employers aren’t going to say, “oh we aren’t paying johnny’s healthcare anymore, let’s give him what we would have paid towards his premium.)

So it’s a loss for every full time worker with medical benefits. It’s a pay cut, in every sense of the term. And this is all thanks to Obama and the Democrats, who are supposedly “for the working man”. It’s a sick joke is what it is.


24 posted on 08/14/2014 6:34:30 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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25 posted on 08/14/2014 7:16:39 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: expat_panama

I have to agree, the “thinking” part seems to disappear when discussing this health care issue with some of my relatives. As long as it benefits them personally, they could care less how it affects others. And never seem to consider how it makes their ability to hold or find a job much more difficult.


26 posted on 08/14/2014 8:12:04 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: Chode

Wait a minute. Why didn’t the RATS call you racist for even thinking such thoughts? They need to get with the agenda.


27 posted on 08/14/2014 8:16:05 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: Innovative

My company is dropping from covering 90% to covering 65% starting next year. Thanks, Obama voters!


28 posted on 08/14/2014 1:00:09 PM PDT by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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