Posted on 08/15/2014 9:21:32 PM PDT by conservative98
Edited on 08/15/2014 9:25:06 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
As am I. I believe I made it clear that when you have children in the home, you have to come up with a method of challenging. It puts you at more risk, but it’s something you have to do. Still, in these situations folks don’t always do the right things, even when they’re supposed to be professionals. This sort of thing can happen. You wish it wouldn’t, but it’s not gross negligence either. I sure don’t see it that way.
Cops act stupidly?
Nice try. I'm not going to jail because of an itchy trigger finger. Or going to hell for shooting a daughter. Know your target, how hard is that to get through your head? Have you ever had a gun pointed at your face? I have, several times. I kept my wits about me and survived. I'd hate to cross paths with you, as I might not survive. But I wouldn't go to hell.
the blue wall will certainly be up for him on this. citizens would face charges of neglect or recklessness at the minimum’no matter’it was accidental or not.
I’m pretty sure you can read what I wrote to you and understand the scenario I laid out for you. If you wish to act like you can’t, that’s your prerogative.
If you still have children in the home, then I agree it’s much more problematic when someone comes down the hallway in the dark in the middle of the night.
My comments concerning the case in this thread, is that it’s easy to fault someone when something like this takes place. When it’s your home and you don’t do what might be the best practice, you’ll realize that when it’s live, it’s not the same as when you can calmly reason what should have been done.
When someone is walking around in my home in the middle of the night, they’re fair game. Just sayin. I don’t know many people who think differently. I don’t have kids in the home. I did provide a remedy if kids are in the home. For kids in the home, ideally what you say is right. In all instances, that isn’t going to be a sure fire end all to problems.
You get woken up, you’re trying to think clearly. You’re in what you think may be a life and death situation. You make a mistake. It happens.
If we took the guns away from everyone that might accidentally use improper judgement in the middle of the night, not many of us would have guns.
I will say that a family meeting on safety could go a long way toward avoiding the dangers of kids coming back into the home in the middle of the night.
Wow really...
Amazing. I should just shut up and let you get shot the next time. Sorry I said anything.
Perhaps RoadKill would be a more appropriate pseudonym since your dead set about lighting yourself up for invaders.
Nope. Firstly, my immediate neighbors for several houses around me are all armed. Invaders are not attacking my block. We watch each other's back. Two of them work as armed security, coming and going at all hours in uniform. I have family in law enforcement. I have security cameras and external lighting and alarms, as do my neighbors. Slim chance of invaders. My next door neighbor works at the local police station three blocks away. If there's any trouble, the police respond quickly and are very friendly to us (not so for troublemakers). So please don't post to me anymore about idiotic messages that you would just blow away a shadowy figure moving towards you. You're a reason deadly accidents happen, akin to Biden saying just shoot through a door at someone.
It may not occur to you, but people coming in from out of the area don’t know the job titles of everyone around you. So much for your intelligence on the matter.
Be sure to know your target. Get our your flashlight and shine it on them. While your at it, perhaps you could text them to make absolutely sure they’re warned.
You can also go to the local Walmart and pick up one of those signs you can program so they can read the warning before you shoot.
It’s time for a life insurance policy review.
Of course I read what you wrote.
Which was NOT about the case in this thread — since your comment asked about what I would do if someone was walking down the hall to my bedroom, when THIS case is about him finding someone in his garage.
Hence, my response about how my wife would not be in the garage to get her head blown off.
My comments were actually ABOUT the case in this thread, which was a person walking out of their house and into their garage, and then shooting someone there.
Since you seemed to be claiming that this was identical to a person walking down the hall, I pointed out how your argument was faulty, by showing how it would be applied to other situations of more absurdity.
In most every house, and every house I’ve been in, the garage has had an outside door entrance to the remainder of the house (This is code to ensure that car fumes cannot get into a house). So a person in your garage is barely more likely to get into your bedroom than a person standing on your porch.
And as to your comment about “still have children in the home”, again that was precisely the case here. The man had a daughter living in his house, so falls under your “much more problematic” statement.
Certainly it is different in the heat of the moment. But first, the man was a trained police officer — he is expected to behave his best in the heat of the moment, not shoot anything that moves whenever he feels threatened.
Second, when you have children in a house, or a wife, you can expect that sometimes they will be sneaking around, so if you CANNOT predict what you would do in the heat of the moment, you should NOT have a gun, because you might shoot a loved one.
I wouldn’t take guns away from people who might make a mistake in the middle of the night — just people who think, when speaking rationally in a safe situation, that it is fine to shoot at unidentified people in the middle of the night when they have a wife or kids in their home.
That is what I said, and I stand by it. I didn’t address the case where a person lives alone and someone is in their hallway.
Although from a practical life perspective, I realize that police somehow make it into people’s hallways all the time, and are looking to shoot things, and I’m guessing if I stepped into a hall with a gun, either I’d get a shot off first, or not, but either way I’d end up dead or in prison the rest of my life.
Now you're questioning my intelligence? And you're the one advocating just squeezing the trigger without knowing the target? You think life is like a video game? I thought maybe you were ten years old but you've been here a while, so maybe it's senility. Joe Biden says if someone is outside your door causing concern, just blam, shoot through the door and problem solved. Not! Do you get a tingle up your leg every time Biden speaks, because it matches what you would do? We have had a few nut cases wander down our block causing problems, drug addicts or alcoholics. All were responded to quickly by police, and we didn't have to shoot a single one. Last time six emergency vehicles responded, quite a spectacle for a single crazed druggie. We don't have itchy trigger fingers, unlike you. Everyone survived.
Thank God she survived.
What a bunch of liberals posting on this thread.
Blah blah, come in my garage at night on my property,
Either 2 things, going to occur.
Dear Roadkill, When a guy starts flapping his gums about law enforcement neighbors, it obvious the guy hasn’t clue one what he’s talking about. Neighbors can break in, but people from out of the area can also. What good does having LEO neighbors do you in the middle of the night when someone is in your home? Do you have printed materials to hand out? Does it mention your neighbors. I sure hope so. That’ll do the trick.
No you just plan on flashing a light at them so they can target you easier. Excellent idea. You have to identify, and they know right off the bat anyone there is an enemy, so they can open fire immediately.
And you reference me as a ten year old for my calling you on this. So what does that make you? Seven? By your own standard you don’t know what a ten year old does.
Then you’re so morally bankrupt you toss in Joe Biden and his shoot through the door argument, which unmistakably means you think someone inside your home is the same as someone on your porch. Very impressive Sherlock.
Here you go again, the impressive mention about druggies venturing down your block and LEOs on scene. And this has what to do with someone actually in your home? We’ll nothing really, but you got to mention LEOs again.
Oh yes, and you got to impress me with the mention that everyone lived when a druggie strolled down your block. I’m sure it was because you got to shine your flashlight on him.
TMI bud. Unrelated TMI.
Yawn. Back to the hallway situation since you are obviously intimidated by the scenario.
While you’re doing what the officer you’re criticizing didn’t the person in your hallway could discharge his weapon.
Then you can deal with the aftermath of that.
It’s a trade off, and one you might not have to pay for. It could be your spouse or someone else you used to care about before their life ended.
Yes, I did lay out safety precautions for people with family members in the home. And I would rather see precautions taken, but the fact is when it’s your home and there’s the perception of an intruder, folks sometimes don’t think clearly.
You and another person here are convinced you always would. I’m not, and I wouldn’t be trashing you if you made an unfortunate mistake, It’s a tough situation.
As for garage configurations, I’m not sure what they are like back there. I’ve never lived in a town that didn’t have some homes with connected garages.
I'll predict your future. You hear some noise in your garage. You grab your handgun (if you even own a gun, which I doubt because you clearly don't know the first thing about gun safety). You enter your dark garage and see a shadowy figure in the background. You open fire, pleasing yourself with the thrill of hearing the gunfire. Then you turn on the lights.
What's this? A 13-year-old boy laying on the cold garage floor, with blood spilling from his skinny little body. Are you still thrilled? Still excited over your first possible kill? Are you still going to be happy and be able to sleep that night? Are you going to be thrilled facing his parents when they file a civil suit against you? Yup, you're a hero all right. In your own mind.
Now about this scenario, it doesn't have to happen. True story - one of my nephews, when he was 13, fell in with the wrong crowd. Some older kids talked him into squeezing through a garage window, because he was the little skinny one. They wanted him to go in and open the door from the inside so they could burglarize the garage. So he got through the window, lights come on and a man is pointing a gun at him asking him what the hell is he doing. The man was calm, told him to sit on the floor while he called the police. My nephew spent some time in juvenile lockup. That was the only trouble he was ever in. Cleaned up his act, and 15 years later he is married with two children, working as a carpenter. That man, because he had his wits about him, saved my sister from having to bury her son. If that man was you, my nephew would be gone. Still feeling so righteous?
Mrs. Joe always knows when I'm headed in from a well, for the same reason.
Prayers up for them both—for her full recovery, and for dad—who is no doubt freaked out about it.
Alarm goes off at your house, your family is supposed to be upstairs asleep, they know the alarm code, etc., and to top it off, in the 13 years you have been on the force there are likely some nasty SOBs who would like to get (or have at least threatened you and yours with some) 'paybacks'.
The reaction is to protect family, who (again) should be upstairs asleep, or know the alarm code. Why would they be rummaging around in the dark?
Despite being wrong, the conclusions that the person was an intruder are very logical. That they present a threat, also, considering the employment of the person involved.
Yep. We can second guess the guy--for instance, a really good flashlight might have helped avoid the present situation--but it would have been a beacon to any accomplices who may have been lurking nearby as well, marking their target if they intended to shoot him.
I'm not going to judge this guy. There is little torment beyond what he is likely feeling.
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