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Ukraine forces destroy most of a column of Russian military vehicles, president says
Washington Post ^ | 15 Aug 14 | Michael Birnbaum

Posted on 08/16/2014 4:52:59 AM PDT by elhombrelibre

KIEV, Ukraine — Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said Friday that Ukrainian forces had attacked and destroyed part of a column of Russian military vehicles on Ukrainian territory, a step that, if confirmed, would represent a significant escalation of hostilities between Ukraine and Russia.

Poroshenko told British Prime Minister David Cameron that “the majority” of a column of Russian military vehicles “had been destroyed by the Ukrainian artillery at night,” his office said in a statement. The announcement came as NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said Friday that the defense alliance had seen an “incursion” into Ukraine the previous night.

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I guess there were some outside witnesses to Putin's forces getting smacked. I'm sure this will hurt the feelings of Putin's fans, and will complicate his ability to climb down from his bullying of his neighbors.
1 posted on 08/16/2014 4:52:59 AM PDT by elhombrelibre
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To: elhombrelibre

LOL! It’s more complicated than Putin. There are only a huge population of Ukrainians that want Russia instead of Ukraine / EU.


2 posted on 08/16/2014 4:55:52 AM PDT by FreedomStar3028 (Somebody has to step forward and do what is right because it is right, otherwise no one will follow.)
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To: elhombrelibre
From your own article:

The Kremlin denied Friday that there had been a border incursion, and a Russian defense ministry spokesman said that no Russian vehicles had been destroyed because none had been inside Ukraine. Poroshenko offered no proof to support his claim.

Somebody's lying.

3 posted on 08/16/2014 4:57:33 AM PDT by McGruff (You can lead a human to knowledge but you can't make him think)
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To: McGruff

Yeah, and I know you’re going to believe the former KGB Colonel Putin.


4 posted on 08/16/2014 4:58:49 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: FreedomStar3028

Oh really? How come there are few of them fighting then with the Putin agents sent to take the area from the Ukrainians? Putin’s pulling this stuff all over the former Soviet Empire so he can rebuild a new one. Don’t kid yourself by falling for the Sudetenland German argument.


5 posted on 08/16/2014 5:00:55 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: McGruff

I found it odd that two journalists that witnessed Russian armor entering Ukraine were described as respected. Another oddity is that the humanitarian aid vehicles are mostly empty.

I think Putin has misjudged Ukraine’s resolve and the support of ethnic Russians within Ukraine that his mercenaries thought they could count on.


6 posted on 08/16/2014 5:05:10 AM PDT by meatloaf
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To: elhombrelibre

It’s a lot more complicated than that, and that’s my point.

You think Putin instigated all of this? Not Kiev? European Union? Give me a break.


7 posted on 08/16/2014 5:05:15 AM PDT by FreedomStar3028 (Somebody has to step forward and do what is right because it is right, otherwise no one will follow.)
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8 posted on 08/16/2014 5:06:26 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: FreedomStar3028

You think all the other nations surrounding Russia are also instigating problems with Putin? Come on. Who said the collapse of the Soviet Union was the greatest disaster of the 20th Century? Putin. He wants to rebuild that empire. Look how he threatens Moldavia. Look at the Republic of Georgia. How come so many FSB men in Ukraine are resigning. Putin is the problem.


9 posted on 08/16/2014 5:09:47 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: FreedomStar3028
You are right. It is more complicated.

Maybe only solution is to divide it in half.

10 posted on 08/16/2014 5:10:51 AM PDT by McGruff (You can lead a human to knowledge but you can't make him think)
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To: McGruff

Yup, someone’s lying alright.

NATO Chief confirms Russian incursion.

http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/natosource/nato-chief-confirms-russian-incursion-into-ukraine


11 posted on 08/16/2014 5:13:48 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: elhombrelibre
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said Friday that Ukrainian forces had attacked and destroyed part of a column of Russian military vehicles on Ukrainian territory, a step that, if confirmed, would represent a significant escalation of hostilities between Ukraine and Russia.

There are people who would interpret a column of military vehicles entering a sovereign country's territory against the will of the legitimate government to be an act of war. There are people who would interpret destroying that column of vehicles as an act of war. There are people who would conclude that when hostile countries engage in successive acts of war against each other, a de facto state of war exists between the two. Or they could just understate the situation and describe it as a significant escalation.

12 posted on 08/16/2014 5:14:22 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: FreedomStar3028
Guess who was involved in this right from the start. John McCain tells Ukraine protesters: 'We are here to support your just cause' December 2013. Just like Libya and Syria. He must have had Obama's blessing. Again.
13 posted on 08/16/2014 5:17:39 AM PDT by McGruff (You can lead a human to knowledge but you can't make him think)
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To: McGruff

Right again it’s not that simple...

Any effort to break eastern Ukraine from Ukraine proper would meet resistance not only from the western half of the country, but from wide swaths of Ukrainians living within those regions (This is a good time to note that past polls have indicated that a majority of Russian-speakers living in the country have also expressed loyalty to Ukraine and not Russia. Also, some people who identify themselves as Ukrainian-speaking may speak Russian in their day-to-day lives).

“There are significant numbers of ethnic Ukrainians who continue to speak Ukrainian in the east and in the south,” says Ukraine scholar Alexander Motyl in a recent interview with RFE/RL. “There are significant numbers of passionate Ukrainians, let’s call them patriots, who speak Russian and who prefer Russian culture, and who nevertheless are committed to Ukrainian statehood and Ukrainian nationhood.”

http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-east-west-divide/25279292.html

And no matter what ITS NONE OF RUSSIAS BUSINESS.


14 posted on 08/16/2014 5:18:20 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: elhombrelibre

Quote of the Morning: 8/16/14

Former President of Georgia,Mikheil Saakashvili, when asked about Vladimir Putin, said, “He likes to be feared. For example: the last time I met with him, he said, ‘Your western friends promise you nice things, but seldom deliver. I promise you bad things, and I deliver.’”


15 posted on 08/16/2014 5:28:33 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: elhombrelibre

Reports are that they were nailed by OTR-21 Tochka (SS-21 Scarab) systems:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTR-21_Tochka

They shoot surface to surface many dozens of miles away with a half ton warhead with a CEP of a couple hundred feet. A very good system for taking out an armored column outside of a populated area... if you know exactly where it is going to be. But given that Ukraine’s intel capability is limited (not to be downplayed, but still limited), I wonder if we’re seeing the results of real-time data sharing with major western powers?


16 posted on 08/16/2014 5:30:22 AM PDT by OldGuard1
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To: elhombrelibre

Ukes nuke Ruskie pukes, again! LOL!


17 posted on 08/16/2014 5:30:34 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: FreedomStar3028

There are only a huge population of Ukrainians that want Russia instead of Ukraine / EU.


Not really. If Putin thought he could win elections in Ukraine he wouldn’t be committing mass murder there right now.


18 posted on 08/16/2014 5:31:35 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: elhombrelibre

Any prisoners to show?


19 posted on 08/16/2014 5:33:04 AM PDT by rfreedom4u (Your feelings don't trump my free speech!)
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To: elhombrelibre

I read in a Christian Science Monitor article that a woman from Sloviansk said exactly 1 person out of the 2000 people in her neighborhood became a “rebel” fighter.


20 posted on 08/16/2014 5:35:56 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: elhombrelibre

If it happened, the wreckage would be on the front page of the New York Times next to pictures of a smiling Obama and a dejected Putin. Doubt it happened.


21 posted on 08/16/2014 5:44:41 AM PDT by allendale
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To: elhombrelibre
Yeah, and I know you’re going to believe the former KGB Colonel Putin.

I couldn't get the videos at the host site to work - is there any visual proof of the destruction of the Russian vehicles? Not a Putin fan, but also not inclined to jump on statements w/o proof as "proof". Would settle it if any pics/video were available. Else, it just all-round supposition.

22 posted on 08/16/2014 5:46:10 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: McGruff
Somebody's lying.

It's embarrassing enough when the puppet leader of the regime in Kiev gets played by his own Interior Ministry over such a serious matter.

It gets exponentially more dangerous when village idiots like David Cameron and that NATO poodle Rasmussen join the chorus without corroboration.

The western alliance is spinning out of control.

23 posted on 08/16/2014 5:58:01 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

Rrrriiiggghhhttttt.
Because NATO doesn’t have the means to verify. They just took Kievs word.

Welcome to Bizarro FR where Kremlin shills are the respected source and NATO and RFE are puppets.


24 posted on 08/16/2014 6:02:50 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: FreedomStar3028
You think Putin instigated all of this? Not Kiev? European Union? Give me a break.

Yeah, cause countries smaller and weaker than Russia are out there trying to purposefully tick the Russians off to start a war with them. Or something.

Gimme a break. You're either a Putin plant or one of those Ron Paul/Vox Day delusional fools. Either way, you're nonsense is just that - nonsense.

25 posted on 08/16/2014 6:05:34 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (It's time to Repeal and Replace the Republican Party)
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To: McGruff
Maybe only solution is to divide it in half.

Coming to a county near you, in the US, if we don't do something about our borders. That is, we're rapidly developing border areas that are more Mexican than US-oriented. It starts with Mexican flags at soccer matches and street parades; this is what it develops into when the ability of the melting pot to culturally absorb immigrants (and aliens) is exceeded.

26 posted on 08/16/2014 6:06:48 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: mac_truck

And guess who we are siding with.

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko held a meeting with the founder of Open Society Foundations George Soros, at which Soros informed the head of state about the initiative of the strategic plan of reforms for Ukraine.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/soros-tells-poroshenko-about-initiative-to-draw-up-strategic-plan-of-reforms-for-ukraine-352210.html

Bizarro world indeed.


27 posted on 08/16/2014 6:16:25 AM PDT by McGruff (You can lead a human to knowledge but you can't make him think)
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To: elhombrelibre

Not sure what happened but I’m leaning towards believing Putin. If in fact Ukraine did demolish a column of Russian vehicles that would be advertised by Putin so he could have a pretext to invade and grab more land in the name of defense of Russia.


28 posted on 08/16/2014 6:23:44 AM PDT by kenf3
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To: Kozak
Lying and cheating is in the Ukrainian DNA.

Only a willfully ignorant fool would take the puppet regime in Kiev at it word about anything.

If the NATO or the poofters in London have evidence of a Russian military incursion, let them present it and stop pussyfooting around.

29 posted on 08/16/2014 6:26:56 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: rfreedom4u

Any vehicles to show?


30 posted on 08/16/2014 6:29:53 AM PDT by Doofer
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To: mac_truck

Ah. I really hadn’t noticed that among my relatives.
Thanks for declaring yourself a bigot.

Me, I’ll believe Western sources over the Kremlin any day.


31 posted on 08/16/2014 6:32:59 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: Kozak

Putin’s bumbling azz got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. the UN involvement and Putin’s “peaceful” words are to settle the situation down.


32 posted on 08/16/2014 6:33:39 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Reagan conservative: All 3 Pillars)
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To: McGruff
And guess who we are siding with.

Gee...you think these two guys might have a reason to spook the financial markets?

Soros' 2.2Bil Bet Against US Stock Market

33 posted on 08/16/2014 6:35:24 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: All

The White House says it cannot confirm reports that Ukrainian troops destroyed a Russian military convoy that had allegedly crossed into eastern Ukraine.

Spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden said late Friday officials are working to gather information on the situation. She said the U.S. remains concerned about repeated Russian and Russian-supported incursions into Ukraine.

Earlier Friday, Ukraine’s president said government troops destroyed a column of military vehicles that crossed into eastern Ukraine from Russia as a convoy of Russian trucks purportedly carrying humanitarian aid remained stalled near the border awaiting inspection.

The incident, which NATO confirmed and said involved Russian weaponry, was vehemently denied by Russia’s Defense Ministry, which told news agencies the report was “some kind of fantasy.”

http://www.voanews.com/content/ukraine-russia-military-convoy/2414222.html

Somebody is lying.


34 posted on 08/16/2014 6:36:48 AM PDT by McGruff (You can lead a human to knowledge but you can't make him think)
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To: mac_truck

“The western alliance is spinning out of control.”

LMAO...they have Russia so frustrated and contained, they are resorting to actions that only make them look like Iraq with a tad bit more of technology.


35 posted on 08/16/2014 6:39:58 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Reagan conservative: All 3 Pillars)
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To: rbmillerjr

36 posted on 08/16/2014 6:54:54 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: McGruff

Every single time I see that retarded hipsters face on tv I realize how finished we are as a people.


40 posted on 08/16/2014 7:01:16 AM PDT by The Toll
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To: McGruff

Yup.
As usual your buddy Putin and his sock puppets.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/russian-ambassador-summoned-to-fco-over-reported-military-incursion-into-ukraine


41 posted on 08/16/2014 7:04:32 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: Pollster1

Actually, Putin’s been waging an illegal war against Ukraine for some time. As for the Ukrainians, if reports are correct that they destroyed Russian military entering their country, then I’d call that an act of self defense.


42 posted on 08/16/2014 7:12:26 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: PIF

There is no doubt Putin is a bully; he’s proud of that. I think that’s why lowbrows admire him. I mean he’s the type of guy who catamites are attracted to.


43 posted on 08/16/2014 7:13:46 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: McGruff

Yeah, it’s McCain’s fault that Putin is bulling Russia’s neighbors. You’re really on to something there, smart guy.


44 posted on 08/16/2014 7:15:51 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Kozak
You like apples?


45 posted on 08/16/2014 7:15:59 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: lodi90

Yeah, that’s sounds about right. I think that within any society you can find a certain amount of scum and misfits who will partner up with a punk like Putin for the joy of shooting up others.


46 posted on 08/16/2014 7:17:29 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: mac_truck

That give you chubby?
Maybe you got a nice pic of Putin without his shirt in your free hand...


47 posted on 08/16/2014 7:19:31 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: elhombrelibre; All

From yesterday, posted on Yesterday’s thread:

CNN’s Ram Ramgogal
US says it can’t confirm Ukrainian claims of disabling vehicles in a Russian military convoy inside Ukrainehttps://twitter.com/RamCNN/status/500412757259591682


48 posted on 08/16/2014 7:21:18 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Kozak

Yeah, I remember when we didn’t have so many clowns and pro-authoritarians around here. I mean the real thing about American conservatives isn’t that we’re pro-despot. We’re for the individual as opposed to the state. Putin’s for a Putinista empire.


49 posted on 08/16/2014 7:22:18 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: tcrlaf

But NATO DID confirm an incursion occurred.


50 posted on 08/16/2014 7:24:23 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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