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Ukraine forces destroy most of a column of Russian military vehicles, president says
Washington Post ^ | 15 Aug 14 | Michael Birnbaum

Posted on 08/16/2014 4:52:59 AM PDT by elhombrelibre

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To: McGruff

“Somebody is cause trouble and it could “escalate quickly”.”

The Nazi’s, specifically Lyashko, doesn’t want the aid getting through.

IMHO, this would have ended long ago, were it not for the Nazi’s in Kiev. They are pushing this war, hard, and they an armed thug mob to back them up.


101 posted on 08/16/2014 10:42:56 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

There was little to no aid in those vehicles (said reporters at the scene), they were carrying Russian troops for reinforcements


102 posted on 08/16/2014 10:43:58 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

“There was little to no aid in those vehicles (said reporters at the scene), they were carrying Russian troops for reinforcements”

Uhhh....
NO....
You are just repeating yet another Kiev conspiracy theory.
You are only seeing a FEW lightly loaded pics, not the vast majority, as Western Journos WITH the convoy have noted.

Steve Rosenberg BBC News Aug 15
Picked a lorry. They opened it up. What was inside? Drinking water. Also saw condensed milk & buckwheat.
https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/500195004615524353

As the US Army Convoy Manual I posted last night states, you have to plan for a certain number of vehicles falling out, for various reasons.

You will recall that 283 trucks left Moscow, but only 270-some arrived.

Things break. Have you ever seen a broken down truck along the highway?


103 posted on 08/16/2014 10:52:28 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

I suppose the Russian Nazis are better than the Ukrainian Nazis.


104 posted on 08/16/2014 10:54:15 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf

Maria Finosha-RT

BREAKING: Russia and Ukraine agreed on how humanitarian convoy will reach E. Ukraine - RED CROSS


105 posted on 08/16/2014 10:54:44 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

UPDATE: Red Cross staff will accompany each truck with humanitarian aid from Russia to Ukraine


106 posted on 08/16/2014 10:55:23 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf; All

Protests related to the announced partial mobilization have continued in Chernivtsi, where around 70 people, mostly draftees and a group of women, gathered at the entrance of the military barracks in the city.

The SMM spoke to some of the draftees, who stated that they had been given ten days to give up their protest and agree to be deployed or face prosecution for desertion.

http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/122662


107 posted on 08/16/2014 10:58:47 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: 1rudeboy

“I suppose the Russian Nazis are better than the Ukrainian Nazis”

False equivalence is a logical fallacy which describes a situation where there is a logical and apparent equivalence, but when in fact there is none.

A common way for this fallacy to be perpetuated is one shared trait between two subjects is assumed to show equivalence, especially in order of magnitude, when equivalence is not necessarily the logical result.

In other words, correlation does not mean causation. The pattern of the fallacy is often as such: If A is the set of c and d, and B is the set of d and e, then since they both contain d, A and B are equal. d is not required to exist in both sets; only a passing similarity is required to cause this fallacy to be able to be used.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence


108 posted on 08/16/2014 11:09:57 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

I love it when the Russians speak of “false equivalence.” They do know irony. In fact, no one does irony better.


109 posted on 08/16/2014 11:13:24 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Zhang Fei

Exactly. Taking it a step further, I’m sure the Arabs who planned and executed 9/11 spoke English too. But they were not Americans. Hell, Obama speaks English but in a visceral sense he’s not an American and neither are the Putinistas on FReeRepublic who clamor for a Putin victory that harms Russia’s neighbors and empowers Putin as he builds a new Russian empire.


110 posted on 08/16/2014 11:22:06 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: tcrlaf

Anyone who disagrees with the communist Putin is a NAZI; it’s an old Stalinist trick.


111 posted on 08/16/2014 11:31:18 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Their trolls are better trained now than when they were working for the Soviets.


112 posted on 08/16/2014 11:33:08 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

“Anyone who disagrees with the communist Putin is a NAZI; it’s an old Stalinist trick.”

lol.. NO

Anyone who is an ACTUAL NAZI is an actual Nazi....

OH WAIT...
They don’t call themselves National Socialists, they are the SOCIAL NATIONALISTS!!

So, what should we call them, then?
So-Nazi’s?
How about “Ukrainian Nazi’s”?


113 posted on 08/16/2014 11:35:25 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: elhombrelibre
But still part of their playbook:

Whataboutism

It represents a case of tu quoque or the appeal to hypocrisy, a logical fallacy which attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with that position, without directly refuting or disproving the opponent's initial argument.


114 posted on 08/16/2014 11:40:31 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf; All

Wow... This is kind of “In Your Face”...

Col. Stanislav Selivanov (NAF) asks to Poroshenko send more equipment, ammo, weapons and other things to ATO area

http://youtu.be/Dkm-f-CsIKI


115 posted on 08/16/2014 11:42:53 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
False equivalence is a logical fallacy which describes a situation where there is a logical and apparent equivalence, but when in fact there is none.

So then who are the good Nazis?

116 posted on 08/16/2014 11:44:50 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: tcrlaf

According to you all Ukrainians, especially those who want a free and independent country, are Nazis. You’ve plenty of attractions, fondness, love, and affection for Putin, but none for the people of Ukraine.


117 posted on 08/16/2014 11:49:24 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: tcrlaf
Wow... This is kind of “In Your Face”... Col. Stanislav Selivanov (NAF) asks to Poroshenko send more equipment, ammo, weapons and other things to ATO area

Wow so cool.

Reminds me of what I'm hearing about Brown in Ferguson, running toward the cop asking to be plugged.

Only Selivanov will high tail it out of town, after many of his comrades get slaughtered.

In your face man!

Woof!

118 posted on 08/16/2014 11:53:28 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign; All

Reports of heavy fighting today from both the rebels and the UK’s, around Amvrosiivka, southeast of Donetsk.

If it falls to the rebels, almost all of the UK units west of Donetsk will be cut off, and the road to Mauriopal opened.


119 posted on 08/16/2014 11:55:33 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: FreeReign

“Only Selivanov will high tail it out of town,”

Doubtful...
He is a local, from Lysychansk (sp??), and a former UK Army officer.


120 posted on 08/16/2014 11:57:09 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
Pound sand, Putinista. Your hero and his team are losing. Ukraine will be free.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/08/16/ukraine-convoy-attack-sends-tough-message-to-putin/14134163/

122 posted on 08/16/2014 12:07:33 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

“Pound sand, Putinista. Your hero and his team are losing.”

lol...
Thanx for proving my point, and so quickly, too!

As I said, your hysterical hypocrisy does your cause no favors.


123 posted on 08/16/2014 12:11:24 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

My cause is liberty. Your cause is Putin. You’re a Putinista troll.


124 posted on 08/16/2014 12:13:06 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: McGruff

The girl with cat is more likely fleeing from Russians who are raping, looting and killing Ukrainians.


125 posted on 08/16/2014 12:14:09 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: elhombrelibre

“My cause is liberty.”

Through ethnic cleansing??
By attacking people that want independence??

Like I said. Hypocrite.


126 posted on 08/16/2014 12:16:58 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Just how long do Freepers have to put up with this tcrlaf reposting this lie about Ukrainians being Nazis? It has been shown to be a lie many times here.

Freep this Russian bootlicking liar.


127 posted on 08/16/2014 12:21:33 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: tcrlaf

Oh yeah, I get it. Ukraine is attacking Russia and ethnically cleansing it. Everyone’s always picking on poor lil Russia! LOL. You a buffoon.


128 posted on 08/16/2014 12:22:00 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: tcrlaf
Reports of heavy fighting today from both the rebels and the UK’s, around Amvrosiivka, southeast of Donetsk. If it falls to the rebels, almost all of the UK units west of Donetsk will be cut off, and the road to Mauriopal opened.

The road between Mariupol and Donetsk doesn't go anywhere near Amvrosiyevka.

It's physically impossible to cut off UK units WEST of Donetsk by taking the town of Amvrosiyevka which is to the SOUTHEAST of Donetsk.

And more than like the town town of Amvrosiyevka will fall back to UK like all the rest of the towns.

Other than all that...good post.

LOL.

129 posted on 08/16/2014 12:26:28 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: tcrlaf

You wouldn’t get liberty if it was given to you. Here you are in the U.S. cheering for Russia and Putin who not only oppress their neighbors but people of Russia where it is death or prison to even speak against Putin and his gov’t of thugs.


130 posted on 08/16/2014 12:27:15 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: free_life

I guess we’ll put up with it until Jim Robinson says otherwise because it’s his site. He can have pro-Putin phony conservatives on it if he wants.


131 posted on 08/16/2014 12:27:21 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: free_life

“Here you are in the U.S. cheering for Russia and Putin”

More fallaciuous arguments?
REALLY?


132 posted on 08/16/2014 12:44:58 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: elhombrelibre

Those Putinistas do not care about their lies being apparent for those paying attention. They are working on fooling those who don’t yet know what is going on. They post articles and invade threads with putting up circlejerks scratching each other’s backs and talking about Kerry, Obama, Soros, homonazijunta of Kyiv and evil protestants.

Meanwhile in the real world their favorite Russian shit is supported only by these 10 countries:

Armenia, Belarus, Bolivia, Cuba, North Korea, Nicaragua, Sudan, Syria, Venezuela and Zimbabwe.

No one else!


133 posted on 08/16/2014 12:46:00 PM PDT by Krosan
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To: McGruff

In addition to the 2004 and 2010 elections map, you also need to look at 1991, 1994 and 2014 presidential map

What it shows is that in 1991 the only ones voting for a pro-democratic pro-Ukrainian candidate Chornovil was Galicia.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_presidential_election,_1991

In 1994, that candidate, relatively speaking, was Kravchuk, and the Ukrainian “nationalists” had now spread to Kiev and Cherkasy.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_presidential_election,_1994

1999 election was an anomaly, Galicia voted against the commie and voted same as some other regions in the east.

2004 and 2010 elections show that the Ukrainian “facsists” made further progress to Sumy, Poltava, Kirovohrad. (In 2010, had it not been for political infighting and the financial crisis, it would have been greater, but oh well, live and learn. Maybe the guys in charge learned something.)

No need to comment on the 2014 elections where Poroshenko won throughout the country. Pro-Russian candidate, Dobkin, in the middle of a war against Russia, did not do well.

It still might too early to call pro-Russian candidates and parties dead, but when you have Russian troops crossing the border and kill Ukrainians there, the number of Ukrainian “nationalists” (as Russia calls them, but it’s just common sense patriotism), it should increase in the south and east of the country.


134 posted on 08/16/2014 12:49:41 PM PDT by Ivan Mazepa
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To: Krosan

Good point. In most of the world, the Putinista FReeper worldview is limited to oligarchy’s of dictatorships.


135 posted on 08/16/2014 12:52:54 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: FreeReign
It's physically impossible to cut off UK units WEST of Donetsk by taking the town of Amvrosiyevka which is to the SOUTHEAST of Donetsk. Think again... Taking that town cuts the only supply route open for units west of Donetsk. It also a big ATO supply base.
136 posted on 08/16/2014 12:55:05 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Krosan

That’s pretty damn funny, coming from the guy that won’t admit that the person running Ukraine’s War effort is himself a Nazi, (parubiy), and that there are actual Nazi militia units in the field.


137 posted on 08/16/2014 12:57:17 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: elhombrelibre; Jim Robinson

They are stinking up the place and it is sad. Save Free Republic from the Russkies!


138 posted on 08/16/2014 12:59:19 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: Krosan

And they have been fooling some who don’t know what is going on. There was a freeper on a thread the other day that didn’t know there was an election in Ukraine and said it was false that Ukraine had an election saying it was an illegal coup and most Ukrainians considered the current govt illegal.

Same with this BS about the majority in eastern Ukraine supporting the rebels. When out of millions of people in eastern Ukraine the rebels numbered less than a thousand who lived in Ukraine. And the low info here have been repeating this lie.

It is thread after thread of repeated lies and nobody does anything about it.

Anytime you try to discuss Ukraine these Russkies flood the thread with utter crap to kill the thread and spread their lies.


139 posted on 08/16/2014 1:08:51 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: free_life

They’re like the politically correct on campus who drown out conservative thought there. On this site, they drown out American conservative thought and belief to replace it with allegiance to Putin and his warped brand of conservatism, mostly idolatry and Russian chauvinism.


140 posted on 08/16/2014 1:15:39 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: tcrlaf

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3193615/posts

“”Alexander Zakharchenko, prime minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, said the rebels were in the process of receiving some 150 armoured vehicles, including 30 tanks, and 1,200 fighters who he said had spent four months training in Russia.””

See, this is what I said. Of course those “fighters” are Russian troops.


141 posted on 08/16/2014 3:42:16 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

The people want Russia. Eastern and Southern Ukraine do at least.


142 posted on 08/16/2014 4:09:12 PM PDT by FreedomStar3028 (Somebody has to step forward and do what is right because it is right, otherwise no one will follow.)
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To: FreeReign; tcrlaf
It's physically impossible to cut off UK units WEST of Donetsk by taking the town of Amvrosiyevka which is to the SOUTHEAST of Donetsk.

I think tcrlaf is talking about UK re-enforcements from the west of Donetsk being cut off from the eastern front, and Mauripol does indeed have a road linking it to Amvrosiyevka which would be opened again to rebel traffic if the rebels take it.

With the Ukrainian side busy destroying phantom columns of Russians, no wonder the rebels are slowly turning the tide. This video from the front might be instructive to you in that regard.

The Russians are trashing us

143 posted on 08/16/2014 4:11:23 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: FreedomStar3028
The people want Russia. Eastern and Southern Ukraine do at least.

LOL

144 posted on 08/16/2014 4:57:53 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (It's time to Repeal and Replace the Republican Party)
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To: FreedomStar3028
You think Putin instigated all of this? Not Kiev? European Union? Give me a break.

Apparently the EU does not even want Ukraine. It was all from the bottom up that it came. As for a "lot" of people in East and South Ukraine wanting to be slaves of Putin,the number is around 18 percent the last time it was polled in April by Pew, and even lower than that from the official elections, which included the majority of Ukraine, even in the East and South save for those areas Russia intervened.

145 posted on 08/16/2014 5:18:01 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: McGruff; FreedomStar3028
Maybe only solution is to divide it in half.

And why would you want to do that, Russkie? Yanukovych ran on a Pro-EU platform, not a Pro-Slavery one. Poroshenko ran on an Independence from Russia platform and got these results, which you've seen millions of times but are too dishonest to ever deal with them.

Red went to Poroshenko:


146 posted on 08/16/2014 5:21:21 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: tcrlaf
Picked a lorry. They opened it up. What was inside? Drinking water. Also saw condensed milk & buckwheat.

Yup, and SO much of it too.

"Almost all of the vehicles are nearly empty, according to journalists who were allowed to inspect them. BBC's Steve Rosenberg finds a vehicle reportedly carrying buckwheat -- nearly empty. This is a screenshot from his video report."

http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-179-russian-build-up-continues-at-border-as-armour-enters-ukraine/

147 posted on 08/16/2014 5:26:09 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: tcrlaf
What was different, this time, was the NGO’s and the US State Department backing the most violent opposition elements in Ukraine, the National Socialists...

Prove it, Russkie!

148 posted on 08/16/2014 5:39:38 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: tcrlaf
Kiev has said many whoppers, as well. The one I really like is “We don’t shell civilians”

"Translation (of angry residents):

This shooting is from the city, but this is not Ukrainian army. Exactly.

The is shooting from new DNR.

They want to break all private houses here. They make this especially for picture and for tv for Russia. They make especially this, because they want that it look like Ukrainian army make this. But it was never that Ukrainian army was shooting.

Show this on tv what I say: this is only for picture on tv. They said all this was destroyed by Ukrainian army, but Ukrainian army has not destroyed anything here."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3193416/posts

149 posted on 08/16/2014 5:43:07 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: McGruff
I don’t have a good feeling about this. Somebody is cause trouble and it could “escalate quickly”.

You are a lying Russkie. By definition, all your feelings are negative and evil.

150 posted on 08/16/2014 5:44:18 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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