Skip to comments.Ukraine forces destroy most of a column of Russian military vehicles, president says
Posted on 08/16/2014 4:52:59 AM PDT by elhombrelibre
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“Somebody is cause trouble and it could escalate quickly.”
The Nazi’s, specifically Lyashko, doesn’t want the aid getting through.
IMHO, this would have ended long ago, were it not for the Nazi’s in Kiev. They are pushing this war, hard, and they an armed thug mob to back them up.
There was little to no aid in those vehicles (said reporters at the scene), they were carrying Russian troops for reinforcements
“There was little to no aid in those vehicles (said reporters at the scene), they were carrying Russian troops for reinforcements”
You are just repeating yet another Kiev conspiracy theory.
You are only seeing a FEW lightly loaded pics, not the vast majority, as Western Journos WITH the convoy have noted.
Steve Rosenberg BBC News Aug 15
Picked a lorry. They opened it up. What was inside? Drinking water. Also saw condensed milk & buckwheat.
As the US Army Convoy Manual I posted last night states, you have to plan for a certain number of vehicles falling out, for various reasons.
You will recall that 283 trucks left Moscow, but only 270-some arrived.
Things break. Have you ever seen a broken down truck along the highway?
I suppose the Russian Nazis are better than the Ukrainian Nazis.
BREAKING: Russia and Ukraine agreed on how humanitarian convoy will reach E. Ukraine - RED CROSS
UPDATE: Red Cross staff will accompany each truck with humanitarian aid from Russia to Ukraine
Protests related to the announced partial mobilization have continued in Chernivtsi, where around 70 people, mostly draftees and a group of women, gathered at the entrance of the military barracks in the city.
The SMM spoke to some of the draftees, who stated that they had been given ten days to give up their protest and agree to be deployed or face prosecution for desertion.
“I suppose the Russian Nazis are better than the Ukrainian Nazis”
False equivalence is a logical fallacy which describes a situation where there is a logical and apparent equivalence, but when in fact there is none.
A common way for this fallacy to be perpetuated is one shared trait between two subjects is assumed to show equivalence, especially in order of magnitude, when equivalence is not necessarily the logical result.
In other words, correlation does not mean causation. The pattern of the fallacy is often as such: If A is the set of c and d, and B is the set of d and e, then since they both contain d, A and B are equal. d is not required to exist in both sets; only a passing similarity is required to cause this fallacy to be able to be used.
I love it when the Russians speak of “false equivalence.” They do know irony. In fact, no one does irony better.
Exactly. Taking it a step further, I’m sure the Arabs who planned and executed 9/11 spoke English too. But they were not Americans. Hell, Obama speaks English but in a visceral sense he’s not an American and neither are the Putinistas on FReeRepublic who clamor for a Putin victory that harms Russia’s neighbors and empowers Putin as he builds a new Russian empire.
Anyone who disagrees with the communist Putin is a NAZI; it’s an old Stalinist trick.
Their trolls are better trained now than when they were working for the Soviets.
“Anyone who disagrees with the communist Putin is a NAZI; its an old Stalinist trick.”
Anyone who is an ACTUAL NAZI is an actual Nazi....
They don’t call themselves National Socialists, they are the SOCIAL NATIONALISTS!!
So, what should we call them, then?
How about “Ukrainian Nazi’s”?
It represents a case of tu quoque or the appeal to hypocrisy, a logical fallacy which attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with that position, without directly refuting or disproving the opponent's initial argument.
Wow... This is kind of “In Your Face”...
Col. Stanislav Selivanov (NAF) asks to Poroshenko send more equipment, ammo, weapons and other things to ATO area
So then who are the good Nazis?
According to you all Ukrainians, especially those who want a free and independent country, are Nazis. You’ve plenty of attractions, fondness, love, and affection for Putin, but none for the people of Ukraine.
Wow so cool.
Reminds me of what I'm hearing about Brown in Ferguson, running toward the cop asking to be plugged.
Only Selivanov will high tail it out of town, after many of his comrades get slaughtered.
In your face man!
Reports of heavy fighting today from both the rebels and the UK’s, around Amvrosiivka, southeast of Donetsk.
If it falls to the rebels, almost all of the UK units west of Donetsk will be cut off, and the road to Mauriopal opened.
“Only Selivanov will high tail it out of town,”
He is a local, from Lysychansk (sp??), and a former UK Army officer.
“Pound sand, Putinista. Your hero and his team are losing.”
Thanx for proving my point, and so quickly, too!
As I said, your hysterical hypocrisy does your cause no favors.
My cause is liberty. Your cause is Putin. You’re a Putinista troll.
The girl with cat is more likely fleeing from Russians who are raping, looting and killing Ukrainians.
“My cause is liberty.”
Through ethnic cleansing??
By attacking people that want independence??
Like I said. Hypocrite.
Just how long do Freepers have to put up with this tcrlaf reposting this lie about Ukrainians being Nazis? It has been shown to be a lie many times here.
Freep this Russian bootlicking liar.
Oh yeah, I get it. Ukraine is attacking Russia and ethnically cleansing it. Everyone’s always picking on poor lil Russia! LOL. You a buffoon.
The road between Mariupol and Donetsk doesn't go anywhere near Amvrosiyevka.
It's physically impossible to cut off UK units WEST of Donetsk by taking the town of Amvrosiyevka which is to the SOUTHEAST of Donetsk.
And more than like the town town of Amvrosiyevka will fall back to UK like all the rest of the towns.
Other than all that...good post.
You wouldn’t get liberty if it was given to you. Here you are in the U.S. cheering for Russia and Putin who not only oppress their neighbors but people of Russia where it is death or prison to even speak against Putin and his gov’t of thugs.
I guess we’ll put up with it until Jim Robinson says otherwise because it’s his site. He can have pro-Putin phony conservatives on it if he wants.
“Here you are in the U.S. cheering for Russia and Putin”
More fallaciuous arguments?
Those Putinistas do not care about their lies being apparent for those paying attention. They are working on fooling those who don’t yet know what is going on. They post articles and invade threads with putting up circlejerks scratching each other’s backs and talking about Kerry, Obama, Soros, homonazijunta of Kyiv and evil protestants.
Meanwhile in the real world their favorite Russian shit is supported only by these 10 countries:
Armenia, Belarus, Bolivia, Cuba, North Korea, Nicaragua, Sudan, Syria, Venezuela and Zimbabwe.
No one else!
In addition to the 2004 and 2010 elections map, you also need to look at 1991, 1994 and 2014 presidential map
What it shows is that in 1991 the only ones voting for a pro-democratic pro-Ukrainian candidate Chornovil was Galicia.
In 1994, that candidate, relatively speaking, was Kravchuk, and the Ukrainian “nationalists” had now spread to Kiev and Cherkasy.
1999 election was an anomaly, Galicia voted against the commie and voted same as some other regions in the east.
2004 and 2010 elections show that the Ukrainian “facsists” made further progress to Sumy, Poltava, Kirovohrad. (In 2010, had it not been for political infighting and the financial crisis, it would have been greater, but oh well, live and learn. Maybe the guys in charge learned something.)
No need to comment on the 2014 elections where Poroshenko won throughout the country. Pro-Russian candidate, Dobkin, in the middle of a war against Russia, did not do well.
It still might too early to call pro-Russian candidates and parties dead, but when you have Russian troops crossing the border and kill Ukrainians there, the number of Ukrainian “nationalists” (as Russia calls them, but it’s just common sense patriotism), it should increase in the south and east of the country.
Good point. In most of the world, the Putinista FReeper worldview is limited to oligarchy’s of dictatorships.
That’s pretty damn funny, coming from the guy that won’t admit that the person running Ukraine’s War effort is himself a Nazi, (parubiy), and that there are actual Nazi militia units in the field.
They are stinking up the place and it is sad. Save Free Republic from the Russkies!
And they have been fooling some who don’t know what is going on. There was a freeper on a thread the other day that didn’t know there was an election in Ukraine and said it was false that Ukraine had an election saying it was an illegal coup and most Ukrainians considered the current govt illegal.
Same with this BS about the majority in eastern Ukraine supporting the rebels. When out of millions of people in eastern Ukraine the rebels numbered less than a thousand who lived in Ukraine. And the low info here have been repeating this lie.
It is thread after thread of repeated lies and nobody does anything about it.
Anytime you try to discuss Ukraine these Russkies flood the thread with utter crap to kill the thread and spread their lies.
They’re like the politically correct on campus who drown out conservative thought there. On this site, they drown out American conservative thought and belief to replace it with allegiance to Putin and his warped brand of conservatism, mostly idolatry and Russian chauvinism.
“”Alexander Zakharchenko, prime minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, said the rebels were in the process of receiving some 150 armoured vehicles, including 30 tanks, and 1,200 fighters who he said had spent four months training in Russia.””
See, this is what I said. Of course those “fighters” are Russian troops.
The people want Russia. Eastern and Southern Ukraine do at least.
I think tcrlaf is talking about UK re-enforcements from the west of Donetsk being cut off from the eastern front, and Mauripol does indeed have a road linking it to Amvrosiyevka which would be opened again to rebel traffic if the rebels take it.
With the Ukrainian side busy destroying phantom columns of Russians, no wonder the rebels are slowly turning the tide. This video from the front might be instructive to you in that regard.
Apparently the EU does not even want Ukraine. It was all from the bottom up that it came. As for a "lot" of people in East and South Ukraine wanting to be slaves of Putin,the number is around 18 percent the last time it was polled in April by Pew, and even lower than that from the official elections, which included the majority of Ukraine, even in the East and South save for those areas Russia intervened.
And why would you want to do that, Russkie? Yanukovych ran on a Pro-EU platform, not a Pro-Slavery one. Poroshenko ran on an Independence from Russia platform and got these results, which you've seen millions of times but are too dishonest to ever deal with them.
Red went to Poroshenko:
Yup, and SO much of it too.
"Almost all of the vehicles are nearly empty, according to journalists who were allowed to inspect them. BBC's Steve Rosenberg finds a vehicle reportedly carrying buckwheat -- nearly empty. This is a screenshot from his video report."
Prove it, Russkie!
"Translation (of angry residents):
This shooting is from the city, but this is not Ukrainian army. Exactly.
The is shooting from new DNR.
They want to break all private houses here. They make this especially for picture and for tv for Russia. They make especially this, because they want that it look like Ukrainian army make this. But it was never that Ukrainian army was shooting.
Show this on tv what I say: this is only for picture on tv. They said all this was destroyed by Ukrainian army, but Ukrainian army has not destroyed anything here."
You are a lying Russkie. By definition, all your feelings are negative and evil.