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Ukraine forces destroy most of a column of Russian military vehicles, president says
Washington Post ^ | 15 Aug 14 | Michael Birnbaum

Posted on 08/16/2014 4:52:59 AM PDT by elhombrelibre

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To: caww
Mac...it’s pretty fruitless to present facts to some here.....

caww, stop patronizing this guy, what facts is he presenting here? Can't keep the order of things straight, doesn't even know what the dear leader Putin said.

201 posted on 08/17/2014 8:10:27 PM PDT by Ivan Mazepa
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To: Ivan Mazepa; caww
1) there had been a legitimate transfer of power when majority in the Parliament removed Ya. from power.

The Ukrainian Constitution has very specific rules for Presidential impeachment, and a majority vote in parliament isn't one of them. Neither is mob rule.

Keep trying donkey.

202 posted on 08/17/2014 8:51:21 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: caww
It was still a coup no matter how corrupt the Pres. was GeronL.....it was done by violence and force...

You are a Russkie troll who doesn't know what he is talking about. The violence was initiated by Yanukovych who sent his henchmen to beat a small group of protestors, followed by kidnappings and torture, and finally the shootings. This is what resulted in the Maidan, which caused Yanukovych to lose all support even from his own party. It was the legitimately elected Rada that ultimately sealed the deal, not "violence and force" as you dishonestly allege.

The evidence has been clear for sometime.

Provide it then, Russkie.

Politically Nato and US pushed for new elections quickly and had Poroshenko lined up months before. There's a boatload of evidence which shows and proves as much.

Provide it then, Russkie.

What they couldn't guage was the response of the Eastern Population to resist the new Kiev Gov...and it went form there.

You are a liar, Russkie, as you have been shown many times that support for separatism was and is a minority in the East and South. Yet you continue to repeat your lies, regardless of what anyone says to you.

Hell will swallow you up one day, Russkie!

203 posted on 08/17/2014 10:44:33 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: caww

The violence was the cirruptocrat sicking the troops on peaceful protesters.


204 posted on 08/17/2014 11:09:48 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

right....try again


205 posted on 08/17/2014 11:11:35 PM PDT by caww
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To: mac_truck

Yanukovych wasn’t impeached. He was removed because he was unable to fulfil his duties having fled the country. It was his prerogative to flee. But a country still needs a president.

http://www.ponarseurasia.org/article/was-yanukovych’s-removal-constitutional

Sorry, no pictures for the simple-minded.


206 posted on 08/18/2014 4:22:56 AM PDT by Ivan Mazepa
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To: mac_truck; tcrlaf; caww
Ukraine is a failed state full of pathological liars incapable of self rule.

that's ridiculous Right Sector(Nazis) threatens armed march on Kiev unless police drop charges against supporters (Russia Today) /sarc

208 posted on 08/18/2014 5:25:55 AM PDT by McGruff (You can lead a human to knowledge but you can't make him think)
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To: mac_truck

Sorry, you got it confused with the country to the east. Happens all the time. A year ago, probably couldn’t find Ukraine on the map, right? :))
Where have I lied, what are babbling about?

There’s also no provision in the Ukrainian constitution for removing a president if one had been taken by the UFO, kidnapped by Al Qaeda, or kills a hundred people and abandons his duties by fleeing the country.


209 posted on 08/18/2014 6:43:01 AM PDT by Ivan Mazepa
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To: mac_truck

Ones under duress fled the country, vast majority in parliament remained at work


210 posted on 08/18/2014 6:46:23 AM PDT by Ivan Mazepa
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To: mac_truck
Either way, the Russian deployment in Crimea wasn't improper and your assertion that it was is still false.

I made my assertion and backed it up. You pulled your "assertion" out of your "behind."

211 posted on 08/18/2014 6:57:28 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: caww
Mac...it’s pretty fruitless to present facts to some here.....or even anything which doesn’t agree with their choice to take sides on this event in Ukraine. If you raise any issue of difference you’ll be continually targeted as favoring Russia and that’s just how blind people see....

Oh, the terrible injustice of it all . . . a poor Russian being prevented from spreading his Russian BS on an American website, and his fellow-travelers whining about it.

212 posted on 08/18/2014 7:00:15 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Ivan Mazepa
Ones under duress fled the country, vast majority in parliament remained at work

Not true.

The purpose of the extraordinary parliamentary session that evening was to pass a resolution returning Ukraine to the 2004 version of the constitution and pledging to form a unity government, thereby weakening the power of the President.

This was the first step of the negotiated Feb 21 agreement with the opposition and witnessed by no less than three European Union countries.

The resolution to return to the 2004 constitution passed 386-0 including 140 votes from the Party of Regions. Then the armed radicals showed up and demanded a second vote to impeach Yanukovitch. That coerced vote failed to garner the number required by the constitution despite physical attacks on some parliamentary members.

Yanukovitch was already planning to travel to eastern Ukraine that evening for a gathering of his political party over the weekend. The radicals tried to kill him as he left Kiev, shooting at his vehicle and injuring one of his aides.

Now you come along and present these events as lawful.

This is why Ukraine is a failed state. You people simply cannot be honest with each other about anything...including the time of day.

213 posted on 08/18/2014 7:31:23 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: elhombrelibre
>>>>>>>>>>Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said Friday that Ukrainian forces had attacked and destroyed part of a column of Russian military vehicles on Ukrainian territory, a step that, if confirmed, would represent a significant escalation of hostilities between Ukraine and Russia.<<<<<

Both Russia and Ukraine use the same Soviet-era vehicles.

The destroyed column of military belonged to Kiev forces.

Poroshenko is attempting lame spin. The problem is that he always has to retract his own claims.

Like Hitler in 1945, Porosenko raised conscription age limit to over 60 years of age for men. Next step will be to conscript grannies over 70.

215 posted on 08/18/2014 11:23:30 AM PDT by DTA
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

The thing is that most of these guys favor violence and fascism as long as it is done by Putin or his allies, and they favor it especially when the victims are peaceful idealist whom they see as weak. When Yanukovych’s police were shooting peaceful demonstrators, he was only doing what Assad had done under similar Russian instruction.


216 posted on 08/18/2014 11:33:54 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: DTA

In your mind, anyone who opposes Putin is Hitler.


217 posted on 08/18/2014 11:34:49 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: DTA
The destroyed column of military belonged to Kiev forces.
Poroshenko is attempting lame spin.

Since no one knows, yet, to whom the military column belonged . . . who is spinning?

218 posted on 08/18/2014 11:40:27 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: mac_truck

That’s amazing, you can’t even get the chronology right. Vote on the 2004 constitution was not on the same day as the vote on removal of Yanukovych.

February 21: Parliament votes to return to the 2014 Constituition
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_02_21/Ukraine-passes-law-returning-to-2004-Constitution-1135/

Night of February 22: Yanukovich flees. HE might say he was travelling to Kharkiv but when papers get burned and trailer trucks move personal belongings out of his residences - he’s fleeing.

February 22: Parliament votes on removal

If you can’t get something basic as this chronology correct, you should stop. You’re not helping the cause and the almighty Putin will not be happy.


219 posted on 08/18/2014 1:13:49 PM PDT by Ivan Mazepa
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To: mac_truck
The radicals tried to kill him as he left Kiev, shooting at his vehicle and injuring one of his aides.

Too bad Yanukovich wasn't stopped and Ceausescued on the spot for what he did to the country. Who in their right mind would defend this crook and murderer

220 posted on 08/18/2014 1:18:41 PM PDT by Ivan Mazepa
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To: Ivan Mazepa

Yeah, yeah, it’s not the point that he was a crook (due process etc) but if there’s a scumbag who’s 100% guilty, shoot them on the spot. Same reason why there was no big show for bin Laden


221 posted on 08/18/2014 1:30:29 PM PDT by Ivan Mazepa
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Ukrainian Nazis.

. .

Russian liberators.

222 posted on 08/18/2014 1:44:24 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: DTA

Conscripted Ukraine Nazis and her attack puppy.

More conscripted Ukrainian Nazis.

223 posted on 08/18/2014 1:52:15 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: free_life

These pictures are from places where the Russian terrorists have fled like the cowardly scum they are. The Ukrainians (Russian speaking btw) are celebrating.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3194033/posts

http://en.censor.net.ua/photo_news/298428/born_free_thousands_of_people_in_kramatorsk_marched_for_unity_of_ukraine_photos_video


224 posted on 08/18/2014 1:57:16 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: Ivan Mazepa
It doesn't matter. You can correct them a dozen times, and they come back to post the same BS on another thread. They're like zombies.

"Putin. Puutinnn."

The smarter ones try to change the subject to McCain, the MSM, or homos.

225 posted on 08/18/2014 2:01:11 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Don’t forget Soros


226 posted on 08/18/2014 3:56:56 PM PDT by Ivan Mazepa
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To: elhombrelibre
Believe Russki/Believe Ukrajinski?

Show picture?

227 posted on 08/18/2014 5:16:23 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Only a specific Program, Plan, and Leadership will end the chaos of dysfunctional government.)
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To: 1rudeboy
Lots of material on Youtube for independent analysis

There is an established pattern in reporting of this bloody civil war: bold lies by Kiev junta/NATO and than sudden backtracking when the evidence emerges to refute it.

MH-17 black boxes are in London in NATO custody. Yet, there is no report of the contents. MH-17 is off from media circus and the presstitutes are silent.

Likewise, Kiev junta allegedly "wins" the war but loses tens of fighter jets and hundreds of personal carriers and tanks, with KIA/MIA and AWOL in tens of thousands.

In the day they allegedly captured Lugansk police station (at the outskirt of the city), they lost one Fulcrum and two two SU-25s.

Only fool can trust Kiev/NATO lies.

228 posted on 08/18/2014 7:32:38 PM PDT by DTA
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To: DTA
Meanwhile, in other news, rebel commanders are fleeing back to Russia and the ones who remain are threatening to execute their soldiers who wish to lay down their arms.

What a way for Ukraine/NATO/Soros to lose the war.

229 posted on 08/18/2014 8:11:30 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
In other news, Ruthenians and Hungarians of Western Ukraine are fed up with Kiev junta. They expect Hungary will protect them from genocide, like one Junta committed in the East.

Noose is tightening. EU already declared they are not able to support Kiev Nazi scum by military means and NATO is letting them down the river.

European fools figured out how much this folly will cost them.

Soon, Nazi scum will start killing each other.

230 posted on 08/18/2014 9:17:50 PM PDT by DTA
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To: DTA

And a YouTube video will prove it!


231 posted on 08/18/2014 9:54:31 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
>>>>And a YouTube video will prove it!<<<

Definitelly not, but opens a venue to investigate wild claims of either party.

232 posted on 08/18/2014 10:03:34 PM PDT by DTA
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To: DTA
“Soon, Nazi scum will start killing each other.”

LOL ! Go cry over dead soviet scum again, bolshevik.

233 posted on 08/18/2014 11:31:18 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: DTA

You mean the Russians will start killing each other. Outstanding!


234 posted on 08/19/2014 7:13:33 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Turn the captured Russkie rebels over to the people living in eastern Ukraine and let them have justice after enduring the Russian terror all these months.


235 posted on 08/19/2014 2:20:52 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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