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Remember Those "Missing" Lois Lerner Emails? They Apparently Really Do Exist
Townhall.com ^ | August 25, 2014 | Daniel Doherty

Posted on 08/25/2014 3:36:37 PM PDT by Kaslin

We saw this coming, didn’t we? Fox News’ Shannon Bream broke the news this afternoon:

BREAKING: #TomFitton of @JudicialWatch just told us on @FoxNews DOJ atty told JW atty that IRS/Lerner emails DO EXIST in backup somewhere— Shannon Bream (@ShannonBream) August 25, 2014

MORE: #TomFitton @JudicialWatch says DOJ atty told JW atty - fed govt backs up ALL computer records "in case of a catastrophe" #IRS #Lerner— Shannon Bream (@ShannonBream) August 25, 2014

And National Review Online caught the relevant portion of the exchange:

“A Department of Justice attorney told a Judicial Watch attorney on Friday that it turns out the federal government backs up all computer records in case something terrible happens in Washington and there’s a catastrophe, so the government can continue operating,” Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton told Fox News’ Shannon Bream.

“But it would be too hard to go get lois lerner’s emails from that backup system,”Fitton continued, paraphrasing the DOJ official. “So, everything we’ve been hearing about scratched hard drives, about missing emails of Lois Lerner, other IRS officials, other officials in the Obama administration, it’s all been a pack of malarkey. They could get these records, but they don’t want to.”

And why wouldn’t they want to retrieve those records? Easy: such records, if released to the public, could perhaps further tarnish the government agency’s already diminishing reputation. For example, if the emails show conclusively that the current administration and the IRS were working together to explicitly target conservative non-profit organizations, the notion that the IRS scandal was somehow “phony” -- and that the president himself learned about the scandal in “news reports" -- would be totally discredited.

Judicial Watch, meanwhile, fully intends on continuing its crusade to recover these emails by obtaining them and placing their contents in the public record. So we’ll see how far they get.

For what it’s worth, most Americans think there was something fishy going on at IRS after the scandal broke, and would like answers.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: irs; media

1 posted on 08/25/2014 3:36:37 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
"DOJ atty told JW atty that IRS/Lerner emails DO EXIST in backup somewhere ...

Yes, they are indeed SOMEWHERE. But that doesn't mean they are actually AVAILABLE. These things take time. They won't actually be AVAILABLE until least until mid-November if then.

We need to get through that pesky election before we can concentrate on digging through all of those bytes or megabytes or gigabytes or terabytes or whatever they are called these days. It's really a needle-haystack kind of a problem.

2 posted on 08/25/2014 3:43:47 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (Remember Mississippi)
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To: Kaslin

It ain’t over till Kate Smith sings!


3 posted on 08/25/2014 3:46:57 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: InterceptPoint
They won't actually be AVAILABLE until least until mid-November...2016

Maybe..?

4 posted on 08/25/2014 3:47:11 PM PDT by outofsalt
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To: Kaslin
You gotta love a backup that's too hard to restore.

-PJ

5 posted on 08/25/2014 3:49:06 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Kaslin

6 posted on 08/25/2014 3:49:29 PM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: Kaslin

Thoroughly scrubbed?


7 posted on 08/25/2014 3:50:26 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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8 posted on 08/25/2014 3:50:56 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: RightGeek

wOM

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9 posted on 08/25/2014 3:51:06 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: InterceptPoint

I believe that some of the boys in the DOJ have decided to reveal these emails so that they can keep their law licenses and jobs in a couple of years.That’s prolly why Obummy has been looking sour lately. The JIG is up and it’s time for Obuzzo to come to Jesus.


10 posted on 08/25/2014 3:52:02 PM PDT by batterycommander
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To: Kaslin

This is a great reason to not re-elect Mitch McConnell.

McConnell has already made it clear that if the Republicans get the majority of the senate, and he is still in charge, that he will revert to the “fairness” rules that existed before Harry Reid destroyed them.

This means the Republicans will forget all the abuse and unfairness the Democrats dumped on them, ONCE AGAIN, pretending it didn’t happen, and the Republicans will “reach across the aisle” to be extra generous to the Democrats.

It also means that such criminals as Lerner, Sebelius, Holder and all the others will get a free pass, without having to concern themselves one bit about even being investigated, much less indicted.

McConnell being elected also means that *nothing* Obama and the Democrats did will be reversed, just accepted as “the new status quo”.

That’s right. A McConnell senate means that America will *keep* Obamacare, the Democrat plans to destroy energy production will continue unabated, the IRS will continue to torment Tea Party conservative organizations (that McConnell hates and wants to destroy too), the EPA will probably want to regulate breathing oxygen, etc. etc.

It is even questionable if McConnell will refuse to approve one or two new justices for the Supreme Court. Certainly the conservative senators will rail against nominees like Eric Holder and Cass Sunstein or Hillary Clinton, but McConnell will again bend the knee, and with the help of a few other RINOs, will push them through.

If before the write-in votes are cast in late October, it appears the Republicans will pick up several seats, then the Tea Party must totally sit out the McConnell race, because there is no way in hell a single freshman Democrat senator can wreak the disaster that another McConnell senate would cause.


11 posted on 08/25/2014 3:59:11 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: batterycommander
I believe that some of the boys in the DOJ have decided to reveal these emails so that they can keep their law licenses and jobs in a couple of years.

I think the difference is simple. The IRS and DoJ have no problem lying to Congress, because they have shown they are toothless tigers. They have held Holder and Lerner in contempt, and nothing has happened to them. So there is nothing to fear from obstructing Congress and even committing perjury if there is no one to prosecute the violations.

On the other hand, the judge in the Judicial Watch case ordered the IRS and DoJ to provide an individual to swear under oath as to the facts concerning these e-mails. If this person lied to the judge, the judge could toss him into jail immediately - no need to get the DoJ to prosecute. How many people at the DoJ or IRS are going to go to jail to protect the likes of Lois Lerner?

12 posted on 08/25/2014 4:01:29 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Kaslin

Cue crickets from MSM...


13 posted on 08/25/2014 4:04:27 PM PDT by databoss
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To: Kaslin

They will never see the light of day


14 posted on 08/25/2014 4:04:51 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: CA Conservative

I know....They searched the “catastrophe” back up systems, only to discover that they too were “scratched”.


15 posted on 08/25/2014 4:05:23 PM PDT by Col Frank Slade
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Are you from Kentucky? If not why don’t you mind your own business and let the voters of KY decide who they want to vote for.


16 posted on 08/25/2014 4:06:32 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: bigbob

What’s needed is an insider with ethics who knows how to grab the data and leak it out. Kind of a reverse-Snowden or the guy portrayed in the Erin Brockovich film who passed on internal memos.


17 posted on 08/25/2014 4:08:20 PM PDT by research99
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

And what does this article have to with KY and McConnell? Absolutely nothing. So stay on subject or don’t say anything at all


18 posted on 08/25/2014 4:09:02 PM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

I’d butt out of Kentucky if Mitch Mcconnell promised to keep the damage he’d do within the borders of that fine state.

I’m starting to believe that unseating the system sucking Rovian county clubbers out is more important that keeping a seat in the “R” category.


19 posted on 08/25/2014 4:27:23 PM PDT by M1911A1
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To: Kaslin

My nephew is a self-taught (and quite brilliant) computer guru that has parlayed his experience (no college) into a high dollar/powered job as VP of IT with an investment house.

I asked him the other day about these “emails”.

He grinned and chuckled, and said he could have all of them downloaded in a neat file within his lunch hour and still have 30 minutes leftover for dessert.

He further said that there had to be at least 7 critical failures in the process, most of which would have been 3rd-party contractor responsibility. In his words - “impossible”.


20 posted on 08/25/2014 4:45:31 PM PDT by nesnah (Liberals - the petulant children of politics)
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To: Kaslin

Unfortunately, the senator from Kentucky sits at the head of the table in the senate, and as you can see with Harry Reid, to a great extent, he controls the national agenda, and can cause untold suffering, misery, deprivation, economic collapse, and inflict bad policies on the entire nation.

Harry Reid is an evil man, Mitch McConnell is just as intolerable as a weak, feckless, co-dependent, and spineless man. But comparing the two, McConnell is even more harmful, because he not only does not do good, but he stands in the way and blocks others who seek to do good.

He cannot bring himself to raise his sword against the Democrats; but he is inexplicably brave when fighting those who would. As a Republican, he harms America even more than a Democrat.

Yes, it is a choice of the people of Kentucky. But if they choose unwisely, it may be one of the last choices they ever make that matters. With their vote, they now have the means to end our republic, and all it ever stood for.


21 posted on 08/25/2014 4:50:36 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Kaslin

And remember folks, EVERY last member of Congress that participated in the Sham Hearings KNOWS THIS and they have known it from the beginning.


22 posted on 08/25/2014 5:14:23 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: Kaslin

He’s definitely a criminal...

Via Judicial Watch:

(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch announced the following developments in the IRS’ missing emails investigation. Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton stated:

Department of Justice attorneys for the Internal Revenue Service told Judicial Watch on Friday that Lois Lerner’s emails, indeed all government computer records, are backed up by the federal government in case of a government-wide catastrophe. The Obama administration attorneys said that this back-up system would be too onerous to search. The DOJ attorneys also acknowledged that the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA) is investigating this back-up system.

We obviously disagree that disclosing the emails as required would be onerous, and plan to raise this new development with Judge Sullivan.

This is a jaw-dropping revelation. The Obama administration had been lying to the American people about Lois Lerner’s missing emails. There are no “missing” Lois Lerner emails – nor missing emails of any of the other top IRS or other government officials whose emails seem to be disappearing at increasingly alarming rate. All the focus on missing hard drives has been a diversion. The Obama administration has known all along where the email records could be – but dishonestly withheld this information. You can bet we are going to ask the court for immediate assistance in cutting through this massive obstruction of justice.

Here is the second set of sworn declarations by IRS officials in response to Judge Emmet G. Sullivan’s investigation into the missing emails of Lois Lerner and other IRS officials. The declarations were provided after close of business on Friday, August 22.

The first meeting was held this afternoon by Magistrate Judge John M. Facciola, who was appointed by Judge Emmet G. Sullivan to manage and assist in discussions between Judicial Watch and the IRS about how to obtain any missing records which have been the subject of longstanding Judicial Watch Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests and lawsuit (Judicial Watch v. IRS (No. 1:13-cv-1559)).

Judge Sullivan has encouraged Judicial Watch to submit a request for limited discovery into the missing IRS records after September 10.

Watch Tom Fitton discussing the new revelation on Fox News:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/08/25/Judicial-Watch-DOJ-Attorney-Says-Backup-of-Lois-Lerner-Emails-Exist


23 posted on 08/25/2014 5:18:16 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (‘You can avoid reality, but you can’t avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.’)
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To: Kaslin
Issa is holding his breath, not! No body, no crime.
24 posted on 08/25/2014 5:18:55 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: bigbob

Obama will be resigning due to health or family reasons...


25 posted on 08/25/2014 5:19:35 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (‘You can avoid reality, but you can’t avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.’)
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To: Kaslin

I’m picturing the M&M Christmas commercial where Santa faints....”THEY DO EXIST!!!”


26 posted on 08/25/2014 5:27:11 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy saints surrounded.)
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To: nesnah

The longer they wait the more likely some tapes will get recycled. But they would have monthly and yearly tapes for a very long time. They can easily get these files. I have done it many times due to government requests. Funny how when the tables are turned, they pull they “it is too hard” bs.


27 posted on 08/25/2014 5:36:06 PM PDT by rlbedfor
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To: Kaslin

The government has a lot of backup systems, at least ONE for each segment of government (i.e. Department of ****) and I suspect for some defense organizations, more than one (that is logical, says Mr. Spock).

As agent Mulder would say, “The truth is out there!”


28 posted on 08/25/2014 5:41:18 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Kaslin

You know danmed well that some rogue irs agent is busily deleting them and all traces of them.
Since they would incriminate the shriveled up old hag lerner and her boss, they will never be shown to the public.


29 posted on 08/25/2014 5:46:42 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: batterycommander

Careful battery....Saying JIG is up could be construed as racist.

HEH HEH HEH HEH! :-)


30 posted on 08/25/2014 6:05:18 PM PDT by willibeaux (de ole Korean War vet age 84)
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To: Kaslin; yefragetuwrabrumuy
why don’t you mind your own business and let the voters of KY decide who they want to vote for.

WTF???

Excuse me, but the election of any U.S. Senator is EVERY American's business!!

31 posted on 08/25/2014 6:31:09 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier; yefragetuwrabrumuy; M1911A1; Kaslin
Re your comment, "Excuse me, but the election of any U.S. Senator is EVERY American's business!!"

Wow, the comment that caught your attention also caught mine -- about how a Freeper ought to mind his own business and stay out of a US senate election unless he lives in the state concerned -- I hope that is a mis-statement.

I was surprised. I am very concerned about RINO tendencies in our Senators from every state. I give a pass to the commenter, however, as passion is good, we are all on the same team, and the times are bothersome...

32 posted on 08/25/2014 8:31:34 PM PDT by Weirdad (Orthodox Americanism: It's what's good for the world! (Not communofascism!))
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To: Windflier
My post was not to you, so mind your own business.

Unless a senator or rep runs for president, the reelection issue of that senator or rep is the voters of the particular state's business. Not yours, nor mine.

Got it?

33 posted on 08/26/2014 4:03:12 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin
My post was not to you, so mind your own business.

You can take that arrogant bs and stuff it where the sun don't shine, Kaslin.

Your comments (and mine) are fair game for any Freeper to respond to, and you know that.

And yes, the election of any U.S. Senator is EVERY American's business, because that Senator will directly affect their lives through their votes in the Senate.

34 posted on 08/26/2014 9:29:55 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Kaslin; Windflier
My post was not to you, so mind your own business.

Pay attention everyone, we have a new FR posting rule now in effect. So henceforth, as decreed from Kaslin, all messages on a post must exclusively be either to or from the FReeper who made the post, since deviating from that would be an egregious violation of the Kaslin's MYOB rule!

Crap, I guess by posting this, I have just violated that very rule!
35 posted on 08/27/2014 8:54:11 AM PDT by zencycler
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To: Kaslin

Just about everyone piles on when discussing Harry Reid, Pelosi, Boxer, FeinSWINE, etc...

So by your statement, only those who reside in an affected state are permitted to comment on FR about them?

Their behavior and policies as elected “representatives” affects the entire NATION...


36 posted on 08/27/2014 9:01:38 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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