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... world's first hydrogen reactor for reduction of unlimited hydrogen ...
Kochari ^ | July 22, so14 | Solar Hydrogen Trends

Posted on 08/25/2014 10:16:16 PM PDT by AZLiberty

Solar Hydrogen Trends, Inc., developer of innovative breakthrough technology with the world’s first hydrogen reactor for production of unlimited hydrogen, conducts final series of control tests on technology

PR Newswire

MENLO PARK, Calif., July 22, 2014

MENLO PARK, Calif., July 22, 2014 /PRNewswire-iReach/ —  American company, Menlo Park based technology firm Solar Hydrogen Trends, Inc. (www.SolarHydrogenTrends.com) today announced that it has conducted a final series of control tests on hydrogen reactor Symphony 7A.

Photo – http://photos.prnewswire.com/prnh/20140722/129200

A follow-up series of tests was required due to the fact that the two previous series of tests had shown such incredible production of hydrogen in reactor Symphony 7A, that even most reputable scientific firms were hard-pressed to accept and/or verify the test results.

New test results carried out by TRC Solutions are even more staggering: the previous performance results of 79,000 liters per hour increased to 127 cfm or 215,800 liters per hour and the content of hydrogen in the gas mixture increased from 93.1% to 97.5%. Oxygen content in the gas mixture on the exit of Symphony 7A was twice lowered to 1.34%, indicating that the process of transmutation of oxygen into hydrogen in the last test was more active.

With this performance the hydrogen reactor can convert 1 barrel of water into 200 kg of hydrogen, which is energetically equivalent to 3 barrels of oil.


However, the most impressive result of this experiment was that the external energy needed to make these 208,678 liters of pure hydrogen fell by 20%; it averaged at 414 watt hour = 4.6 volts x 90 amps.

To repeat: In these tests, 1 barrel of water = 3 barrels of oil.

At the moment this is an absolute record for energy costs with “cold fusion” Low Energy Nuclear Reaction (LENR). It outpaces all research centers, laboratories and universities involved in the hydrogen problem of (LENR) for 20-30 years.

The ratio of spent and obtained energy in hydrogen reactor Symphony 7A in percentage is 134,477%. Today, hydrogen reactor Symphony 7A with the size of standard suitcase can produce enough hydrogen in one day equivalent to 6.5 barrels of oil, at the mere cost of $1.68 per hour to operate.

Observers should imagine two economic possibilities:

1. Barrel of oil actually would cost $5.07. (When the market price on commodities exchange trades at $100 to $110).

2. With 50,000 Symphony 7D Hydrogen Reactors (units), such a quantity would provide 30% more hydrogen equivalent than the largest oil producer, Saudi Arabia, in one year.

Solar Hydrogen Trends believes that the most expedient next step would be if the United States takes the lead as global supplier of this technology, creating a consortium of willing countries, including oil and gas producing nations, which would then all become the co-owners of this groundbreaking technology developed by American company Solar Hydrogen Trends. Since the technology is developed and owned within/by the United States, all future sales and transactions of hydrogen will be made in US dollars (Hydrodollar) jointly with petrodollar.

In this scenario, the country members of the consortium could within 20-25 years accomplish the gradual replacement of fossil fuels with hydrogen. Over the years they could diversify their economies and avoid economic dependence and/or collapse. We believe that the hydrogen era is here to stay, cannot be stopped or slowed, and should not be considered as revolutionary but rather an evolutionary worldwide progression.

The United States is the first to enter into the hydrogen era – the new evidence of American exceptionalism – and this grand step forward is precisely what makes us exceptional as a people and a country.

Hakop Jack Aganyan
Konstantin Balakiryan
Founders, Solar Hydrogen Trends, Inc.

For more information on the hydrogen reactor, test results and the Company, please visit www.SolarHydrogenTrends.com.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: bollocks; coldfusion; energy; greenbubbleup; hydrogenreactor; kevmo; lenr; rainbowstew
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Company claims it creates low-cost energy by converting oxygen into hydrogen, through a new form of LENR.
1 posted on 08/25/2014 10:16:17 PM PDT by AZLiberty
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To: AZLiberty

Title should have “production” not “reduction”. I’ve asked admin to fix.


2 posted on 08/25/2014 10:19:59 PM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: AZLiberty

if true, this is wonderful for average folks. maybe some energy folks may not be too happy.


3 posted on 08/25/2014 10:21:23 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: AZLiberty

Are they nuts? They want to share this in a consortium with other oil producing nations that want to destroy us? Middle Eastern countries, Russia, etc.? If it’s American, we should control it and drive the others into bankruptcy. Good grief, would any other country allow this to slip out of their hands?


4 posted on 08/25/2014 10:26:10 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: AZLiberty
But, I was told that LENR was the future.
5 posted on 08/25/2014 10:26:41 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: AZLiberty

We are all saved, not, sounds like another scam/sham/thank you mam


6 posted on 08/25/2014 10:28:22 PM PDT by dila813
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To: AZLiberty
Here is the only relevant part of the article. Read it, and you know it all:

indicating that the process of transmutation of oxygen into hydrogen in the last test was more active.

Here is another opinion. There are some funny comments too.

7 posted on 08/25/2014 10:30:15 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: AZLiberty

I’ll believe it when I see it.


8 posted on 08/25/2014 10:30:53 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Greysard

oh so funny!


9 posted on 08/25/2014 10:34:28 PM PDT by dila813
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To: AZLiberty

Nice to hear that they overcame that whole Second-Law-of-Thermodynamics thing.


10 posted on 08/25/2014 10:36:01 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("Your Daddy Was Drunk and Your Mama Was Lonely" - http://youtu.be/4HYy62qiOwA)
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To: AZLiberty

I believe the process is to separate water (H2O) in to just hydrogen (H) and oxygen (O) efficiently.


11 posted on 08/25/2014 10:40:43 PM PDT by MCF (If my home can't be my Castle, then it will be my Alamo.)
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To: AZLiberty

You can’t get energy out of nothing. Hydrogen combines with oxygen to form water for a reason—it’s a lower energy state.


12 posted on 08/25/2014 10:44:33 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: AZLiberty

I must admit I am impressed with the report from AirKenetics. They are industry emissions testers and not easily fooled. I am not of or had dealings with TRC Environmental but they seem to be in the same business and seem to have the same results.

So color me impressed and would like to hear more. I dont have any money to invest but if I could figure out how to generate my house’s power needs with this, might not be a bad idea. But I will have to wait till the home version is in production.


13 posted on 08/25/2014 10:47:01 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Slings and Arrows

The nearby presence of our sun, a near limitless source of energy, helps us get around the second law of thermodynamics. Or at least that’s my understanding of it.


14 posted on 08/25/2014 10:50:25 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Our sun produces all the energy we could ever need. We need only find an efficient way of gathering it, storing it, and using it.


15 posted on 08/25/2014 10:53:48 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one

The energy the sun is putting out has to be gathered and stored somehow. This gizmo is not doing that. They are claiming cold fusion, which is the scientific equivalent of saying “pixies did it.”


16 posted on 08/25/2014 10:58:07 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("Your Daddy Was Drunk and Your Mama Was Lonely" - http://youtu.be/4HYy62qiOwA)
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To: RC one

We already have one. Plants. Bio fuel.


17 posted on 08/25/2014 11:04:29 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: AZLiberty

Okay, so the claim is that it produces far more energy in hydrogen than the electrical energy that went into it right?

So in other words it is a perpetual motion machine that outputs energy with no overall input...

Because you only have to burn a small amount of the hydrogen to produce the electricity required to produce far more hydrogen. So overall with nothing in other than water, hydrogen comes pouring out. And that hydrogen when burnt returns to water which could go back into the machine.

Perpetual motion.

A fraud.


18 posted on 08/25/2014 11:05:25 PM PDT by DB
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To: AZLiberty

I seem to remember a Tom Swift story in which you could fill your gas tank with water and drop in a silver pill and the water would would turn into gasoline. Tom was trying to keep the formula from falling into the wrong hands.


19 posted on 08/25/2014 11:08:25 PM PDT by Octar
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To: Telepathic Intruder
You can’t get energy out of nothing. Hydrogen combines with oxygen to form water for a reason—it’s a lower energy state.

Yup, normally it's a pretty energy intensive process to make pure hydrogen, but they and other LENR aficionados, claim to use "transmutation" as the secret sauce.

It all happens inside a container and of some of the processes are usually secret....(for patent reasons they say)

This looks to me like another one....transmutation without radiation..or any other little nasty effects..

Reminds me of Merlin.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101208185917/merlin1/images/9/94/The_mage_stone.jpg

20 posted on 08/25/2014 11:08:29 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Slings and Arrows

I didn’t see where they claimed to have perfected cold fusion. What I read indicated that they had figured out how to use solar energy to break the H2O covalent bonds which seems reasonable.


21 posted on 08/25/2014 11:14:02 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: Greysard
indicating that the process of transmutation of oxygen into hydrogen in the last test was more active.

Next up...transmuting lead to gold.....

22 posted on 08/25/2014 11:14:28 PM PDT by spokeshave (He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people,)
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To: AZLiberty

Scam alert.


23 posted on 08/25/2014 11:16:16 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

It seems like biofuel is inadequate to meet the ever growing energy demands of our planet. The hydrogen locked up in water has always seemed like the logical energy source for the future. IMHO.


24 posted on 08/25/2014 11:22:59 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one
They mention cold fusion here:

At the moment this is an absolute record for energy costs with “cold fusion” Low Energy Nuclear Reaction (LENR). It outpaces all research centers, laboratories and universities involved in the hydrogen problem of (LENR) for 20-30 years

In retrospect, it looks like they were talking about someone else; the text isn't all that clear.

Back to the original issue: The Second Law of Thermodynamics says that you will always get less energy from burning hydrogen than it took to separate it from water; in effect, hydrogen becomes a battery. If these people have a way to use solar energy to economically power hydrogen separation, they'd probably be better of just selling the solar power. Sorry, but this whole thing reeks of scam.

25 posted on 08/25/2014 11:25:18 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("Your Daddy Was Drunk and Your Mama Was Lonely" - http://youtu.be/4HYy62qiOwA)
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To: RC one

Solar energy, or electrical energy is what you would use for a standard process of breaking the bonds, but they are claiming transmutation and their numbers are freaking off the chart in terms of production from a given amount of water.

When questioned about that they just lean on the transmutation and the LENR process.

That’s the problem..

If it’s true, and that is one huge IF. The process, no matter how it transmutes would be huge...

But that’s again the problem.

IMHO


27 posted on 08/25/2014 11:31:13 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: RC one

It takes at least as much energy to break water down into hydrogen and oxygen as is released when hydrogen and oxygen are recombined back into water (burned).

If it didn’t it would be perpetual motion.

It is as simple as that.


29 posted on 08/25/2014 11:36:09 PM PDT by DB
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To: AZLiberty
Konstantin Balakiryan

Everything I needed to know, right there.

No sale.

Put cheap H2 up for sale, I might buy it. I prefer it mixed with a little C. And maybe some O.

But this is more Russian BS.

/johnny

30 posted on 08/25/2014 11:37:34 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: RC one
We need only find an efficient way of gathering it, storing it, and using it.

Fossil fuels is the answer. Dead ancient foliage.

Nothing beats 'em. Ever. On price point or ease of use.

/johnny

31 posted on 08/25/2014 11:40:07 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: DB

On their website they say....

‘On input of 500 watts the mini reactor produces a output of 2,797 cu feet of hydrogen per hour. (electricity equivalent of 221.5 KWH at a cost of about $1.80)”


32 posted on 08/25/2014 11:40:55 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: JRandomFreeper

The planet is still making the stuff..


33 posted on 08/25/2014 11:42:40 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Octar
Anyone that remembers Tom Swift and his aeroplane is ancient and should just take some pills from obamacare.

Oh... wait..

I do have some Tom Swift books, printed on acid paper, that I'm trying to conserve. They belonged to my dad when he was a kid. I read them. Now I'm trying to keep them from rotting away.

/johnny

34 posted on 08/25/2014 11:43:17 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Cold Heat
I never thought it stopped. I supposed I was adding to it as my outhouse slipped under a continental shelf. Not that I'll live to see it.

/johnny

35 posted on 08/25/2014 11:45:23 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

LOL.....

Naw....not poop....plankton...


36 posted on 08/25/2014 11:50:56 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: RC one
What I read indicated that they had figured out how to use solar energy to break the H2O covalent bonds which seems reasonable.

Those would be hydrogen bonds. Using solar energy for splitting of water is not a new idea.

What is new here, however, is the idea of transmuting oxygen into hydrogen. Normally hydrogen is far more apt to go in the other direction, just as we saw it in explosions of hydrogen bombs. You'd need to apply some comparable energy to put the toothpaste back into the tube :-) Our Sun happily survives on simply fusing hydrogen into helium. Imagine the cost of splitting O into many H's :-) Humans can do some of such things, but only to individual atoms, and only on huge particle accelerators.

37 posted on 08/26/2014 12:02:17 AM PDT by Greysard
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To: DB

Not perpetual motion. The claim is it produces energy by breaking oxygen atoms into hydrogen atoms. They don’t claim that they can rebuild the oxygen atoms from the hydrogen without putting in at least as much energy.

If it works, it’s no more an instance of perpetual motion than is fission of uranium or plutonium.

The proof of this pudding will be in the eating — or in the reliable production of cheap energy. If their claims are true, then it’s way better than Rossi’s E-Cat (if his claims are true).


38 posted on 08/26/2014 12:07:10 AM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: Mastador1

This is a form of LENR, different from any described before. If the kind of LENR that Andrea Rossi and others have been talking about works, there’s no reason to believe Rossi’s is the only or the best kind of LENR. We’ll have to see.

Rossi says that his E-Cat is undergoing rigorous third-party testing right now.


39 posted on 08/26/2014 12:09:56 AM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: RC one
You missed the key phrase "Transmutation of oxygen into hydrogen" which is not a chemical process.
40 posted on 08/26/2014 12:12:33 AM PDT by FredZarguna (His first name is 'Unarmed,' and his given middle name is 'Teenager.')
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To: Slings and Arrows

If they were just talking about electrolysis, then the Second Law would preclude their result. But they’re claiming some sort of nuclear process, where oxygen breaks down into hydrogen, producing energy.

I don’t know if it’s true, but it’s fun to think about. Time will tell.


41 posted on 08/26/2014 12:19:45 AM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: MCF

No, they claim they’re separating oxygen atoms into hydrogen atoms — a very startling claim.


42 posted on 08/26/2014 12:20:52 AM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: AZLiberty

If the inventors start dying of radiation poisoning I’ll take them much more seriously. ;^)


43 posted on 08/26/2014 12:21:37 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("Your Daddy Was Drunk and Your Mama Was Lonely" - http://youtu.be/4HYy62qiOwA)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

The relevant physics question is whether eight hydrogen atoms have less energy than one oxygen atom. If so, then converting one oxygen atom into eight hydrogen atoms will release energy — if it can be done. SHT (bad name for a company) claims it can.


44 posted on 08/26/2014 12:23:17 AM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: F15Eagle

It’s not a joke. It may be a lie — I don’t have enough evidence to know — but the claim is exactly as you said: converting oxygen into hydrogen, not liberating hydrogen from water molecules.


45 posted on 08/26/2014 12:26:43 AM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

And there’s Alchemy too. Transmutation of Oxygen into a Hydrogen.


46 posted on 08/26/2014 12:27:38 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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If these people have a way to use solar energy to economically power hydrogen separation, they'd probably be better of just selling the solar power. Sorry, but this whole thing reeks of scam.

First, they don't have a way to use solar power to do hydrolysis, and don't claim to. They claim to be "transmuting oxygen into hydrogen."

Second, if we stipulate to a hypothetical [just for the sake of discussion] the process could actually be useful because, while you do lose energy in the form of heat in the process, that doesn't matter; the energy you've used to create the hydrogen is solar, so it's "free." The hydrogen freed by the process would be useful as a storage medium that Greenies would like, because it has "no carbon," unlike gasoline, which is essentially a hydrogen storage medium [also produced by solar energy] which releases carbon by-products on combustion.

Third. Despite what Greenies like, any process involving hydrogen as an energy storage medium is stupid (it is not a primary energy source on Earth, since all the free hydrogen on this planet bonded with other elements long ago or escaped into space.)

Why is it stupid? Because it has only about 1/4 of the energy density of gasoline when compressed and liquefied. A hydrogen "gas tank" would take you 1/4 of the distance without refueling. Worse, about half of the energy required to deliver hydrogen in usable form is burned up in the process of compressing the gas.

So, the Second Law is not the issue, because the hydrogen is produced via solar energy, and the energy available is "all net." Solar energy has to be stored somehow, and hydrogen "sounds good" as an energy storage material. But it isn't.

47 posted on 08/26/2014 12:32:35 AM PDT by FredZarguna (His first name is 'Unarmed,' and his given middle name is 'Teenager.')
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To: FredZarguna

Summary: Even if it’s not a scam, it won’t work.


48 posted on 08/26/2014 12:44:41 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("Your Daddy Was Drunk and Your Mama Was Lonely" - http://youtu.be/4HYy62qiOwA)
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To: Kozak
And there’s Alchemy too. Transmutation of Oxygen into a Hydrogen.

Ah, why didn't you say so? Here, take my money!

49 posted on 08/26/2014 12:47:54 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("Your Daddy Was Drunk and Your Mama Was Lonely" - http://youtu.be/4HYy62qiOwA)
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To: AZLiberty
It is both a joke and a lie.

A joke because as a lie it's uproariously funny.

Fission of light elements doesn't produce energy, it requires energy. The protons in bound oxygen have a binding energy of 8 MeV per nucleon. Hydrogen has 0. That means you would need to supply 16 * 8MeV or 128MeV to "split" Oxygen. Producing, in addition to 8 new hydrogens per fission, plus 8 very high-energy (and very dangerous) neutrons.

Even if all the hydrogen produced were deuterium (an isotope of hydrogen with one neutron) you still can't make it work. For deuterons, the binding energy per nucleon is ~1.1 MeV. So in that case you would need to supply an energy of 8 * (8MeV - 1.1MeV) ~ 55 MeV for each fission.

How much energy is that in practical units? About 1.5 Gigawatt-hours to convert 18 grams of water to 18 grams of hydrogen. Not really feasible.

50 posted on 08/26/2014 12:54:37 AM PDT by FredZarguna (His first name is 'Unarmed,' and his given middle name is 'Teenager.')
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