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The GOP Has A Three-Way Problem (NOT THAT KIND DUH)
fitsnews.com ^ | 8/26/14

Posted on 08/27/2014 5:53:45 AM PDT by cotton1706

“Republican” U.S. Sen. Pat Roberts is facing a tougher-than-expected reelection battle in Kansas – a state heretofore reliable in its election of GOP nominees.

Roberts recently won the “Republican” nomination in the Sunflower State by a 48-41 margin over Tea Party-backed candidate Milton Wolf (with 11 percent of voters supporting other candidates).

Game over, right? Wrong …

According to the results of a recent Survey USA poll, Roberts is only leading his Democratic opponent Chad Taylor by a 37-32 percent margin. Where’s the rest of the support going? Well, 20 percent of those polled say they’re backing independent candidate Greg Orman - three times the level of support he was receiving just two months ago.

“Roberts’ numbers have been steady,” noted political analyst Jeff Jarman of KSN.com. ”Taylor’s numbers have been steady. It’s Orman who is gaining ground.”

And if Orman continues to gain momentum, there’s speculation that national Democrats might ask Taylor to drop out of the race.

Orman isn’t the only potentially credible candidate threatening to throw a monkey wrench into the traditional “red” versus “blue” calculus.

In South Carolina, “Republican” Lindsey Graham is – like Roberts – deeply unpopular with voters. He’s facing a credible Democrat (S.C. Sen. Brad Hutto) as well as an independent challenger – former State Treasurer Thomas Ravenel. According to several internal polls provided to FITS, Ravenel is currently drawing between 13-15 percent support – and he has yet to spend a dime of his considerable fortune on media messaging.

Meanwhile in North Carolina vulnerable incumbent Kay Hagan is in a dogfight against establishment “Republican” Thom Tillis (both are drawing a little over 40 percent support) – although the real story is the emergence of Libertarian nominee Sean Haugh, who is currently drawing the support of eight percent of voters.

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“This is a real problem for the establishment,” one national consultant told FITS. “Kansas, North Carolina and possibly South Carolina – all are potential GOP losses because the party has pissed on the base. Atlas is shrugging and flipping the GOP the bird in the process.”
1 posted on 08/27/2014 5:53:45 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706
Sounds like the liberal republican establishment may have won a bunch of primaries at the cost of losing a lot of general elections.

/johnny

3 posted on 08/27/2014 6:00:28 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: F15Eagle

When they call me for money I ask them three questions and a no answer to any of the three results in no money what so ever:
1. Has the GOP vowed to repeal Obamacare?
2. Has the GOP vowed to enforce ALL our immigration laws?
3. Has the GOP vowed to rein in the EPA?

Only problem is I keep getting 3 NO’s.


5 posted on 08/27/2014 6:05:07 AM PDT by biff (WAS)
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To: F15Eagle

I was crunching some numbers last night after reading an article about GOP prospects in 2014 AND 2016.

The GOP NEEDS to take control of the Senate this year. With 24 GOP seats up in 2016, many of them in Blue states (plus it being a POTUS year with higher Dem turnout) failure to do so is probably going to hand the Dems another Supermajority starting in 2017.

Thats in addition to how the nuking of the Judicial filibuster will allow Obama to continue stacking the Judiciary between now and then.

Plus consider this: it’s 2017 and either Kennedy or Scalia leaves the Supreme Court due to age and failing health. President Hillary Clinton nominates Eric Holder as the replacement. And with a Dem supermajority he gets onto the Court without Reid having to extend the nuclear option to SCOTUS appointments.


9 posted on 08/27/2014 6:10:52 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: F15Eagle

I can’t believe you’d waste a good $10 on the GOPe!


10 posted on 08/27/2014 6:11:59 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.)
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Oh, you wrote you would NOT give $10 to the GOPe if you had $100 million. Good! Why throw away good money like that, right?


12 posted on 08/27/2014 6:13:01 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.)
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To: cotton1706

We need the “instant runoff” ballot, and we need it in every race! It would, of course, be the end of the “uniparty”, so they’ll never allow it.

(vote for your top 3 picks - if no one gets 50%+1 of the #1 picks, count #1+#2. Vote for “independent” first, then GOP).


16 posted on 08/27/2014 6:16:49 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: F15Eagle

They’ve not shown me they’re any different than the Democrats, lately.

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At least we know what the Dems stand for. Not so much with Republicans. They are a pathetic lot devoid of any convictions or beliefs. A party without a soul.


17 posted on 08/27/2014 6:18:10 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: tanknetter

Do you really think at least a quarter of the GOPers won’t rubber stamp ANY Obama or Hillary nominee? It’s almost certain. We have to win the White House or it doesn’t matter what happens next when it comes to the the Supreme Court. ANY nominee by the left is going to be a disaster and tip the scales to 5-4 the other way.


18 posted on 08/27/2014 6:19:23 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: F15Eagle

De-fund the GOP! Starve the beast or it will deploy YOUR money to trash conservatives.


20 posted on 08/27/2014 6:22:50 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: F15Eagle

Completely agree on that. I’m thinking that, like having a bad manager, we might have to (will have to, in many cases) hold our noses, pick the GOPe up and carry it over the finish line. For our own short-term self preservation.

Cochrane is an exception. Mark Levin (I think) made a suggestion a couple months back that every cycle Conservatives should pick a single non-Conservative Senator and target him for defeat in the General election by throwing votes to the Dem. Just to show that we can, and will. To encourage the others.

But only one. Enough to set an example but not enough to swing control of the Senate (our own self-preservation coming first)

Seems like a great idea to me, with this years political target being Cochrane.


22 posted on 08/27/2014 6:25:38 AM PDT by tanknetter
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hold our noses, pick the GOPe up and carry it over the finish line

Nope. Not voting for a liberal republican, now or ever.

They need to be politically destroyed, and never win another election.

Liberals won't save us. Especially liberal republicans.

/johnny

24 posted on 08/27/2014 6:35:56 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: cotton1706
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08/27/2014 6:23:41 AM PDT ? 21 of 21
Toddsterpatriot to Cringing Negativism Network
Simply repeating the word "troll" over and over, isn't really input at all.
Prove you're not a troll.
List 3 conservative policy recommendations that you think will help manufacturing and jobs return to
America.
Or run away.....again.

My comment: why would this comment be deleted?

25 posted on 08/27/2014 6:45:29 AM PDT by palmer (This comment is not approved or cleared by FDA)
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To: tanknetter

Agree that we have to be very careful of falling for the divide and conquer approach I believe the Democrats are using against Republicans. The fact is that if a more conservative candidate loses the Republican primary (absent Democrat interference) the only thing going into the general election will do is split the vote so Democrats win. Are we really better off having a Democrat enabling leftists policies full speed than at least a nominal Republican that votes conservative at least some of the time? I’ll probably be flamed for not lining up with those who say they will refuse to vote for a less than totally conservative Republican - but we live in a real world and the fact is that ultimately the choice needs to be between 2, not three or more in the General election. Don’t have to provide money to those not aligned, but we need to at least show up and vote.

The last election likely would not have gone to Zero if the “true conservatives” that refused to vote for Romney for whatever reason had simply shown up and voted. Despite comments that have been made in this forum to the contrary, Obama got less votes than in 2008 and Romney got more votes than McCain in 2008. Romney may be far from perfect - but the absolute disaster on so many fronts we are now facing would have been avoided. Primaries are where we have to sort out our differences.

Remember Reagan’s 11th commandment. I believe the Democrats have been successful in making too many Republicans forget it.


26 posted on 08/27/2014 6:57:01 AM PDT by LibertyOh
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To: F15Eagle

“If I had $100 million dollars I wouldn’t give $10 to the GOPe.”

RNC fundraiser called yesterday. No friendly chit chat, just came flat out and asked me to give $500 in consideration of my past support of the party.

My response: “I am no longer a member of the Republican Party.” There was an awkward pause (for him). As he resumed started talking I hung up the phone

Last year, after 40 years as a Republican, I went down to the courthouse and declared my independence.


27 posted on 08/27/2014 7:01:20 AM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Liberal Republicans won’t save us. Conservative Senators like Ted Cruz will.

But without a Senate majority, or even a filibuster proof Senate minority, all the Ted Cruzes of the GOP can do is thumb their noses at Liberal legislation and appointments as they pass by.

That may mean having to think strategically and vote for GOPe to get the seats necessary for the Ted Cruzes to do some real good.


28 posted on 08/27/2014 7:01:32 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: LibertyOh
Romney may be far from perfect

Romney didn't even match his party platform on abortion, amnesty, 2nd Amendment, socialized medicine and big government.

The perfection argument is a LIE spread by GOP-E operatives.

How about a candidate that matches the party platform?

I will do everything in my power to politically destroy liberal republicans.

I'm a conservative, not a republican.

No vote for liberal republicans here.

/johnny

29 posted on 08/27/2014 7:01:51 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: tanknetter
All that your liberal republican leadership in the Senate has done is to support Reid's liberal agenda with their critical cloture votes.

A liberal republican senate won't help. Liberal republicans won't get my vote. Now or ever.

/johnny

30 posted on 08/27/2014 7:03:47 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: LibertyOh

Real world impact example: had Romney won the Presidency the DC Circuit Court of Appeals wouldn’t have been stacked with Liberals following the nuking of the appointment filibuster.

That means that if the recent panel decision overturning the Obamacare Federal Exchange subsidies were appealed en banc, the panel’s ruling would have been upheld. Instead it’s going to be overturned.

Now, this is in no way an endorsement of Romney for 2016, but it does illustrate that there are degrees of ideological acceptability. And consequences for placing them at certain points.


31 posted on 08/27/2014 7:09:10 AM PDT by tanknetter
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tanknetter wrote:
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I’m thinking that, like having a bad manager, we might have to (will have to, in many cases) hold our noses, pick the GOPe up and carry it over the finish line. For our own short-term self preservation.
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But aren’t we all completely sick and tired of having to keep doing this? We’ve been holding our noses at the ballot box for years now and where has it gotten us???


33 posted on 08/27/2014 7:14:39 AM PDT by DestroyLiberalism
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To: JRandomFreeper

As a conservative, you are doing the ultra leftists work for them with that attitude. Perhaps you should expend your energy politically destroying the leftists. Within the framework we have we are stuck - and while Romney has a history of being on the wrong side of the issues you state -he was not as far left as what the alternative we now have is.

Fight these things out in the primaries. If you can’t get a winner there, your vote in the general for a “conservative” is one less vote the true leftists have to counter.

Do you really think we are better off with Obama on all the issues stated than we would have been with Romney?


34 posted on 08/27/2014 7:17:35 AM PDT by LibertyOh
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JRandomFreeper wrote:
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All that your liberal republican leadership in the Senate has done is to support Reid’s liberal agenda with their critical cloture votes.
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An excellent point. If you want to see a Republican senator’s true colors, always pay close attention to their cloture votes.


35 posted on 08/27/2014 7:19:49 AM PDT by DestroyLiberalism
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To: LibertyOh
So your new mantra is to vote for the least liberal republican? I don't think I will.

I can't ever get rid of the liberals in the Democrat party, but I can make sure the liberals in the Republican party never, ever win again.

The leftists are happy with liberal republicans. Liberals republicans help enable the liberal agenda (see McConnell's cloture votes).

No, I'll keep working to destroy liberal republicans.

One liberal is as bad as any other, but I can do something about liberal republicans.

/johnny

36 posted on 08/27/2014 7:21:13 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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LibertyOh wrote:
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As a conservative, you are doing the ultra leftists work for them with that attitude. Perhaps you should expend your energy politically destroying the leftists.
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With all due respect, isn’t your last statement exactly what the GOP Establishment is NOT doing?? And yet you insist we continue supporting them??


37 posted on 08/27/2014 7:23:24 AM PDT by DestroyLiberalism
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To: tanknetter

Absolutely agree regarding degrees of ideological acceptability. Also agree not endorsing Romney or anyone for 2016 - we’ll have to see who ultimately runs. Bottom line - at the end of the primaries we should have a candidate -and if not then at the end of the convention. Whoever it is will be “impure” on one or more conservative issues. But that is what we will have. Holding our noses to vote is an unfortunate consequence of the system we have. Coming up with a viable third party just will not happen - conservatives need to have patience for the long haul, take whatever victories they can achieve. Reagan was an outsider and transformed the party - for a season. Grassroots efforts and gaining control from the bottom up is what is essential. It will be a long, hard journey, but along the way we can’t give in to our pride when it enables the destruction of our nation.


38 posted on 08/27/2014 7:29:07 AM PDT by LibertyOh
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To: DestroyLiberalism

It’s gotten us Ted Cruz. And Mike Lee. And Rand Paul

Ronald Reagan really liked the saying that a rising tide raises all boats. He was speaking economically, but it applies politically as well.

I may not like Mitch McConnell, or Boehner, or Lindsay Graham or John McCain. But I DO like Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Trey Gowdy and even Rand Paul (who is wrong on enough issues to deny him my GOP presidential primary vote, but still right on enough that I like him as a Senator). And I want their boats to rise.

And I understand that their boats will only rise with a rising tide. Which means supporting folks I don’t like, abhor even. Mitch McConnell may see me as an enemy that needs to be crushed, but I look back see him, ruthlessly, as a political necessity so that the people I support (Cruz, Lee, even Rand Paul) can make it up the ladder into positions of tangible power.


39 posted on 08/27/2014 7:30:10 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: LibertyOh
Do you really think we are better off with Obama on all the issues stated than we would have been with Romney?

We are in exactly the same place on all those issues as we would have been with Romney. Exactly. No difference.

Abortion - the same. Amnesty - the same. 2nd Amendment - the same. Socialized medicine - the same. Bigger government - the same.

One liberal leftist is as bad as another.

/johnny

40 posted on 08/27/2014 7:31:06 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: DestroyLiberalism

Unfortunately the GOP is the viable opposition to the Democrats. The fact that they have focused efforts on the primaries needs to be addressed - withhold funding and work to get the party changed over the long haul from the grassroots up. This internal party problem needs to be a separate battle - the war is with the Democrats.

I have no problem not monetarily supporting the GOP Party when it uses money against conservatives. I’m just saying that when it comes to general elections we need to vote and urge voting for them, even if we have to hold our noses. Monetarily support conservatives. But the party transition will be a long, hard battle that needs to be kept an internal issue.


41 posted on 08/27/2014 7:39:56 AM PDT by LibertyOh
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To: LibertyOh
the war is with the Democrats.

No, the war is with liberals and the liberal agenda. That includes both democrats and republicans.

Soon enough the liberal republicans aren't going to be a viable anything.

/johnny

42 posted on 08/27/2014 7:43:02 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: LibertyOh

Romney despised Reagan and has smeared him for years, he left the GOP because of Reagan and became a democrat supporter and fundraiser, and voter, not returning to the GOP until Bill Clinton was safely in the White House.

Romney was the problem that killed 2008 and 2012, the Reagan hating, most radical liberal that has ever been a major player in GOP presidential politics had only won a single election in his life, and had only returned to the GOP in October of 1993, after supporting democrats, and fundraising and voting as a democrat, and fund raising for Planned Parenthood.

Since his own polling showed he wasn’t going to win reelection as governor, an office he left with 34% approval, he set out to become president and announced that he was the 800 pound gorilla with all the money, which kept out any substantive challengers and left us with nobodies, as it was, Romney spent 50 million dollars of his own money, had all the big donors, a massive organization, and still lost to two guys without campaign funds, or organization.

The proof of Romney was in 2012, in an election that republicans couldn’t lose, Romney/Ryan, somehow pulled it off, that far trumps losing in the 2008 election that was almost impossible for the GOP to win in a perfect storm of recession, 8 years of Bush, and the first black president.


43 posted on 08/27/2014 7:43:22 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: JRandomFreeper

If you see us in exactly the same place on all these issues then there’s nothing I or anyone can say to enlighten you.


44 posted on 08/27/2014 7:43:32 AM PDT by LibertyOh
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To: cotton1706
“This is a real problem for the establishment,” one national consultant told FITS. “Kansas, North Carolina and possibly South Carolina – all are potential GOP losses because the party has pissed on the base. Atlas is shrugging and flipping the GOP the bird in the process.”

I know for certain that neither Karl Rove, Steve Schmidt, or Reince Priebus made that comment. lol

45 posted on 08/27/2014 7:45:51 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Mississippi!)
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To: LibertyOh
What would be different? Would we be in a different place on abortion? Amnesty? Socialized medicine?

You are delusional if you think there would be any change in governance.

/johnny

46 posted on 08/27/2014 7:45:53 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: LibertyOh
Remember Reagan’s 11th commandment. I believe the Democrats have been successful in making too many Republicans forget it.

Sorry, FRiend, but IMO the worst offenders are Rove, Romney, and McConnell.

47 posted on 08/27/2014 7:47:55 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Mississippi!)
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To: ansel12
The proof of Romney was in 2012, in an election that republicans couldn’t lose, Romney/Ryan, somehow pulled it off,

The big issue was ACA, and what do the Republicans do? Nominate the Father of ACA. Nice move...

48 posted on 08/27/2014 7:50:53 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Mississippi!)
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To: ansel12

All I can say is wow. I specifically say that I am not endorsing Romney, that Romney was on the wrong side of some issues, but that he would not have put us as a country in the messes we are now in to the same degree, and the Romney haters come out of the woodwork. This is just amazing - really a sore point for some.

I don’t have time nor inclination to defend Romney on any of the points raised - but to say that Romney/Ryan “lost to two guys without campaign funds, or organization” simply tells a lot about your perceptions and biases.


49 posted on 08/27/2014 7:55:40 AM PDT by LibertyOh
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To: LibertyOh

You don’t want “to defend Romney”, you just want to defend Romney and attack conservatives as Romney haters.

You even defend his loss in the 2008 primary when he had it all, the money, the organization, and even the luxury of injecting 50 million dollars of his own money in between massive fund raisers, against two guys with no money or organization.

There is a reason why this past democrat and Planned Parenthood fundraiser has only won a single election since he rejoined the GOP.


50 posted on 08/27/2014 8:00:47 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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