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On second try, California plastic bag ban passes Assembly
Fresno Bee ^ | August 28, 2014 | BY JEREMY B. WHITE

Posted on 08/28/2014 4:27:49 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

With a prominent grocery workers’ union back in support, the California Assembly voted on Thursday to impose a statewide ban on single-use plastic bags.

Just days after the measure could not muster the 41 votes needing to pass, falling short at 38, it passed on a 44-29 vote. Seven Democrats who withheld votes on the previous attempt pivoted to vote aye.

Lawmakers turned back Senate Bill 270 on Monday as the United Food and Commercial Workers Union withdrew crucial labor backing for the sweeping prohibition. Central to the union’s reversal was a provision allowing grocery stores to offer paper or reusable bags for a minimum 10-cent fee.

(Excerpt) Read more at fresnobee.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: bags; california; nannystate

1 posted on 08/28/2014 4:27:49 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

they refer to these as single use. Of course many people use them a few imps for various reasons.

We have various nice pieces of luggage, but I use double bags for carry on books, papers, etc. My wife can’t stand it.

I guess we’ll all be using energy to wash the germs out of those reusable canvas bags every week.


2 posted on 08/28/2014 4:30:39 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Idiots!


3 posted on 08/28/2014 4:30:49 PM PDT by x1stcav (Leftism is like rust. It corrodes twenty-four hous a day.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

No such thing as a “single use” plastic bag in my home. They are re-used for a variety of purposes. All of them. If I lived in CA /spit, I’d have to buy more plastic bags. Idiots.

/Thank God I no longer live in the People’s Republic of California!


4 posted on 08/28/2014 4:31:39 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: piytar
Berkley on the Colorado.... er... Austin went the same way. No plastic bags.

That's ok. I buy them by the thousands and I'm not in Austin frequently anyway. I make sure that when I am there, I take my own plastic bags and make a show of using them.

/johnny

5 posted on 08/28/2014 4:38:25 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Most things in a store come in cardboard boxes which can be used to carry things home. Boxes are nicer than plastic bags, and they can be used again when it’s time to pack up and move out of California.


6 posted on 08/28/2014 4:46:46 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If these idiots were so worried about plastic bags doing environmental damage then why didn’t they pass a proposed law requiring all open hauling trucks to have covers? They killed that piece of legislation.

And if they were really worried about plastic despoiling California why don’t they get all the welfare recipients off their arses and down to their local dumps to sort all of the recyclables out of the trash? There is no reason why any plastic, paper, or glass should end up in a landfill in America when we have this many loafers in our midst. Sort garbage or no check!


7 posted on 08/28/2014 4:49:00 PM PDT by anonsquared
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I prefer the plastic bags. Easy to carry. Also reuse them.
California is stuck on stupid and deserves what it gets. Sorry for the Conservatives who must live there.


8 posted on 08/28/2014 4:49:31 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
it takes SEVEN trucks to haul the same amount of paper bags that ONE truck can haul of plastic bags... and prolly seven times the processing to make them

but the RATS love the environment, feh...

9 posted on 08/28/2014 4:50:18 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Dumb. My folks taught me to save the plastic bags and use them for a variety of purposes. Small trash bin linings, packing material, litter box cleanings and shocking as it might seem to California’s legislature: to carry in them things other than the items I purchased when I first got them. Wotta concept, huh?


10 posted on 08/28/2014 4:50:43 PM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

What will the Bag Ladies, err, Street People, err Homeless do?


11 posted on 08/28/2014 4:54:52 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If and when I think of it, I ask for paper bags. Kills more trees, soaks up bacon grease, and hides my ugly head throughout the week.


12 posted on 08/28/2014 4:55:46 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I wonder how much the dog poop bag makers contributed to these worthless sacks of skin in the legislature...


13 posted on 08/28/2014 4:59:08 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: JRandomFreeper
The Commonweath Communist of Massachusetts, also. The town of Brookline banned plastic bags due to false information and those paper bags are effing annoying.
14 posted on 08/28/2014 5:05:56 PM PDT by Stepan12
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To: morphing libertarian

i use mine as garbage bags afterwards, liners for smaller cans.


15 posted on 08/28/2014 5:30:57 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

We remember what horrible people we were when the liberals put in the plastic bags law in attempt to save the forests, and were so horrified when we demanded paper bags at the grocer store, and still do. “Save the trees they screamed” in unison. “Keep the filthy loggers out of our forests” they demanded. “YOU are killing all the trees” they told us.

Today the libs are passing laws to eliminate their plastic bag laws.


16 posted on 08/28/2014 5:43:06 PM PDT by rockinqsranch ((Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.))
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To: morphing libertarian

“Single use” my eye. When I could still get them here in San Jose I used to use them to line the wastebaskets in the kitchen and bathroom.


17 posted on 08/28/2014 5:45:53 PM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (I'm not anti-government, government's anti-me.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Keep in the forefront of your mind ... arguing with a Progressive is like arguing with a fence post.


18 posted on 08/28/2014 5:48:42 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (If you are reading this then you are probably one of the NWO designated 6.5 billion excess people.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Does anyone remember when the enviros were screaming for everyone to use plastic bags to save trees and how that was going to save the world?

There is an interesting story about giving Tesla a pass on conforming to environmental regs for their battery factory.

http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-tesla-incentives-20140812-story.html

Funny how they scream for equality and exercise special privilege.


19 posted on 08/28/2014 5:51:17 PM PDT by rey
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To: piytar
I never throw one away either unless it's too dirty or torn to keep. Besides other uses, I use them for packaging instead of styrofoam peanuts or paper which is heavier. I ship to the People's Republic of California sometimes. Do you think they will have the USPS stop any boxes from coming across the border and search for plastic bags?
20 posted on 08/28/2014 6:01:45 PM PDT by MagnoliaB
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To: rockinqsranch

And those cloth/paper reusable bags have been proven to harbor germs. So if you have to use the electricity AND water to wash them and provided they don’t fall apart when you do, doesn’t that defeat the purpose?


21 posted on 08/28/2014 6:06:41 PM PDT by MagnoliaB
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
What will I use to clean out Kitty's litter box? Well, I shall use those Hefty Contractor 55-gallon bags that will devastate the environment more!

Mu-ha-ha-ha, mu-ha-ha-ha! (Twirls handlebar mustachio)

22 posted on 08/28/2014 6:23:31 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: MagnoliaB

Yes, of course it does.

They created a problem, and now are resolving the problem they created. It’s S.O.P. for the liberals, the Democrats, and as usual are forcing more money to exchange hands by forcing us to buy products to carry our groceries home.

This always means some Liberal, some Democrat is on the receiving end of that forced expenditure. Another, or plural liberals, Democrats will be making money off this law somehow, some way.


23 posted on 08/28/2014 6:30:41 PM PDT by rockinqsranch ((Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.))
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

One good thing that come from the plastic bag ban...
There will be less cases of ‘trigger finger’ that comes from carrying multiple bags of groceries on each finger.


24 posted on 08/28/2014 6:40:32 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: morphing libertarian
I installed a set of brackets similar to these on the kitchen cabinet door under the sink.

They hold a T-Shirt plastic bag from the supermarket to use for trash.

Found them at Home Depot.

They save money, keep the trash out of sight and put the used bags to good use.

We haven't bought a kitchen size garbage bag in 20 years.

25 posted on 08/28/2014 7:08:55 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Democrats love poor blacks - that's why they keep them on the Plantation)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Liberals just cannot be happy, even with their own knee-jerk forced changes....

It was the same liberal idiots who pushed TO the plastic bags...

We use and reuse plastic bags all the time - likely fare more than we would use paper bags (if they were still available).


26 posted on 08/28/2014 7:20:38 PM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: LostInBayport
to carry in them things other than the items I purchased when I first got them. Wotta concept, huh?

Poo-poo wipes and diapers for babies. Handy to have a supply of used plastic bags around. Serves as a glove inverted on the hand to grab yucky stuff.

27 posted on 08/28/2014 7:25:18 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: RginTN
"Sorry for the Conservatives who must live there."

Someone has to pay the bills for out of control government.

28 posted on 08/28/2014 7:30:45 PM PDT by fuzzthatwuz
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To: Iron Munro

I’m in cal where the gov and the legislature are determined to save the planet even if their actions don’t make any sense.


29 posted on 08/28/2014 7:34:22 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Kill unborn babies? — SURE THING!
Smother Grandma with a pillow? — Why not?
Marry another homosexual? — *thumbs up*
Marry two or three more people? — Coming right up!
Smoke weed? — BLAZE UP!

Plastic bags? — NOOOOO YOU MONSTER WE WILL MAKE YOU PAY ARRRRRRGH!!!


30 posted on 08/28/2014 7:46:16 PM PDT by angryoldfatman
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

My response is always the same. Either bag my purchases, or go put it back on the shelves. Please call the manager to make that decision.

Even in the People’s Republic of Santa Monica, they bagged the purchase rather than putting it back on the shelf. One business tried to just charge me for the bags anyway, and I simply challenged the charge on my credit card, and the bank asked ‘Did you approve it?’ I replied no, filled out the affidavit, and lo and behold, the charge was taken off my bill.

Do not accept this. Any business owner who says ‘this is the law, I’m just following the law’, reply ‘It is your duty to challenge laws that cost you money. Either put my purchase in a free bag, or eat the cost of putting it back on the shelf.’

Biggest challenge came from a Target in Pasadena, the manager refused to bag the items for free, but also wasn’t really interested in the whole putting it back on the shelf idea either. I turned towards the people behind me in line, and asked ‘Who here wants to pay for bags that you would get free in any other Target without this stupid law?’ The manager bagged my purchase himself, and then continued bagging for the rest of the line.

Yes, I’m a anal person for doing this. Yes, I caused a disturbance and knowingly shopped at places that charged for bagging. Yes, I could have gone to another business, skipped the stink, and gone about my life. But I didn’t. I’m too old to give a rat’s anus what others think of what I do and say. I refuse to succumb to idiot laws which do absolutely nothing to fix the issues they claim they are written for.

Know why? Every single EBT food stamp purchase is immune to this law, and all the other laws written about it. You can’t charge an EBT person for a bag, it’s against federal law. Now who’s the most likely person to buy something and just toss the bag on the street?

This is why I fight this law.


31 posted on 08/28/2014 10:07:19 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: kingu

Bravo!


32 posted on 08/29/2014 3:56:35 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I never use bags when grocery shopping. I first buy a case of beer. Then I place the box of cigars on top the the case of beer. The potato chips go on top of the cigars, followed by a box of fudge for the ladies. It’s all carried very easily to the gas guzzling truck.


33 posted on 08/29/2014 7:40:02 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: morphing libertarian
I’m in cal where the gov and the legislature are determined to save the planet even if their actions don’t make any sense.

If the humans are collateral damage so be it.

The well being of The Great Mother Gaia is more important than people.

/s

34 posted on 08/29/2014 7:57:19 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Democrats love poor blacks - that's why they keep them on the Plantation)
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