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Ukraine crisis: Putin hopes for peace deal by Friday
BBC News ^ | 9-3-2014 | BBC

Posted on 09/03/2014 1:21:31 AM PDT by tcrlaf

Edited on 09/03/2014 6:47:04 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Russian President Vladimir Putin has said he is hoping for a peace agreement to be reached between Ukraine and pro-Russian rebels by Friday.

Mr Putin urged both sides to stop military action in eastern Ukraine, adding that his views and those of his Ukrainian counterpart were very close.

Ukraine President Petro Poroshenko said they had agreed a "ceasefire process".

US President Barack Obama said he stood with Ukraine's people because they had a right to determine their own future.

Speaking in the Estonian capital Tallinn, Mr Obama also said Nato would guarantee the independence of the Baltic states.

"You've lost your independence once before, with Nato you'll never lose it again," he said.

A Nato summit opening in Wales on Thursday is expected to back plans for a rapid response force.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: ceasefire; civilwar; russianukrainianwar; terrorism; ukraine
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Poroshenko announced a ceasefire, after a phone conversation with Putin, on his Presidential site, and on Twitter, just moments before Obama was supposed to speak in Latvia.
1 posted on 09/03/2014 1:21:31 AM PDT by tcrlaf
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To: tcrlaf

Kramer was right! Ukraine IS weak.


2 posted on 09/03/2014 1:23:42 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: tcrlaf

Best to surrender before Obama arrives to “help” them.


3 posted on 09/03/2014 1:26:57 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Islam is the incarnation of The Beast. ~ Þ)
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To: tcrlaf

Now confirmed by tweets from CNN, RT, ABC,AFP


4 posted on 09/03/2014 1:31:34 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Full statement from Ukraine president’s office on cease-fire agreement with Russia
https://twitter.com/passantino/status/507077681637105664/photo/1


5 posted on 09/03/2014 1:31:34 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Ukraine saying this is a PERMANENT Ceasefire.

That’s a HUGE change in rhetoric from just last night.


6 posted on 09/03/2014 1:31:34 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf; All

Tweet from Malachy Brown, Irish Journalist :

Deputy PM of DNR Vladimir Antyufeyev told me he welcomes cease-fire but is not authorized to say if they’ll adhere to it

RT Journo in Donetsk saying DNR leaders just now learning about it.


7 posted on 09/03/2014 1:33:41 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf; All

Welcome to the 21st Century, where Twitter is the new Newswire of old.


8 posted on 09/03/2014 1:41:04 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Obama’s “Speech” is now a news conference.

And he’s already late.


9 posted on 09/03/2014 1:41:04 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: GeronL
(file photo)
10 posted on 09/03/2014 1:49:17 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (ISIS has started up a slave trade in Iraq. Mission accomplshed, Barack, Mission accomplished.)
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To: tcrlaf; GeronL

Brakbrak will read about it in the Weekly Reader next month.


11 posted on 09/03/2014 1:50:10 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (ISIS has started up a slave trade in Iraq. Mission accomplshed, Barack, Mission accomplished.)
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To: tcrlaf

0bama: Peace in our time.


12 posted on 09/03/2014 2:00:22 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: tcrlaf; All

For Poroshenko to agree to a “permanent” ceasefire now, despite the inevitable backlash that will come from the Right Sector Extremists, tells me that Kiev is very close to a complete military/economic collapse.

Remember, he tried to offer a ceasefire about 3 weeks ago, and Paruiby threatened to resign, and march on the Gov.


13 posted on 09/03/2014 2:00:44 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: a fool in paradise; All

Different news coming out of the Kremlin now, from the Spokesman Pekov:

-PUTIN SPOKESMAN SAYS PUTIN AND POROSHENKO DID NOT AGREE ON CEASEFIRE BECAUSE RUSSIA IS NOT A PARTY TO UKRAINE CONFLICT - RIA NEWS AGENCY

Which means that Poroshenko is declaring it “unilaterally”

-PUTIN, POROSHENKO DISCUSSED STEPS TO CEASE-FIRE: PESKOV


14 posted on 09/03/2014 2:00:44 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: a fool in paradise

Obama Presser just started.


15 posted on 09/03/2014 2:00:52 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: BykrBayb

The Evil Empire is back


16 posted on 09/03/2014 2:00:55 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: tcrlaf

Now they just need to peacefully arrest the illegal alien soldiers and execute them


17 posted on 09/03/2014 2:01:26 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: tcrlaf

How is that possible when Russia has nothing to do with “separatists” ?


18 posted on 09/03/2014 2:02:05 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Russia has their precious Sudetenlands


19 posted on 09/03/2014 2:02:05 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: tcrlaf

Evil Empire Russia only attacked because Ukraine is weak, duh


20 posted on 09/03/2014 2:02:44 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: tcrlaf

How many days until the occupied territories are annexed?


21 posted on 09/03/2014 2:03:34 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Grzegorz 246

Russia is 100% lying


22 posted on 09/03/2014 2:03:55 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: tcrlaf

link?


23 posted on 09/03/2014 2:04:28 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (ISIS has started up a slave trade in Iraq. Mission accomplshed, Barack, Mission accomplished.)
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To: GeronL

“Now they just need to peacefully arrest the illegal alien soldiers and execute them”

Yeah...
Good luck with that.


24 posted on 09/03/2014 2:06:11 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: GeronL; All

Estonian president Ilves just now on reported cease-fire deal between Ukraine and Russia: “I just hope it works.”


25 posted on 09/03/2014 2:06:11 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: a fool in paradise

Live now on CNN


26 posted on 09/03/2014 2:06:11 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Ukraine needs a nuclear weapons program and a medium-range missile


27 posted on 09/03/2014 2:08:09 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: tcrlaf

I don’t ever watch CNN, it is not a reliable media outlet.


28 posted on 09/03/2014 2:08:33 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: tcrlaf

The so-called “sanctions” should stay in place until Russia surrenders the illegally occupied land.


29 posted on 09/03/2014 2:15:17 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

Listening to Obama now, totally parsing on Ukraine and sounds like he is basically saying he isn’t going to do a damn thing.....no wonder Ukraine is surrendering.


30 posted on 09/03/2014 2:16:06 AM PDT by sunmars
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To: sunmars

lol,....President Obama just said the murderers of Steven Sotloff and James Foley have already failed because “their horrific acts only unite us”

Coming from a failed President, that is really not saying a lot......a load of waffle coming out of Estonia today


31 posted on 09/03/2014 2:18:16 AM PDT by sunmars
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To: sunmars

OK, In Obama’s world the more Americans who are beheaded the better it is, since they lose....

wait a sec


32 posted on 09/03/2014 2:24:19 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: sunmars

Merkel and Obama both refused to send any weapons.


33 posted on 09/03/2014 2:24:52 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

Yup that’s about it, stuttering, freezing, stammering, this is not a man in control of his agenda.

Seriously this guy is suitable only for teleshopping ads and thats about it.


34 posted on 09/03/2014 2:26:20 AM PDT by sunmars
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To: sunmars

bump


35 posted on 09/03/2014 2:26:55 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

Merkel because she needs russian gas and Obama because he really does not give a flying foxtrot and probably could not point to ukraine on a map.


36 posted on 09/03/2014 2:27:38 AM PDT by sunmars
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To: sunmars

Poor Ukraine thought the world would come help it against Putin, how wrong they were to trust countries who are dependent on Russian energy or a guy who frankly is disengaged and could not give a stuff.


37 posted on 09/03/2014 2:29:55 AM PDT by sunmars
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To: GeronL

Ukraine is not going to shed more lives to control people who reject its rule.

I think its sensible - of course the loss of the Donbass is a huge defeat for the Maidan regime in Kiev but it had to realistically face the prospect it could count on no real help from the West.

This is far larger than the loss of Crimea but freed of a hostile Russian-speaking population, the country can now rebuild and develop closer ties with the West.


38 posted on 09/03/2014 2:30:10 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: tcrlaf

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/steven-sotloff-beheading-american-president-7710443

American President Barack Obama has denounced journalist Steven Sotloff’s murder as “a horrific act of violence” and insisted that the US would not be “intimidated” by militants’ threats.

Speaking before he arrives in Wales later today, Mr Obama said: “Whatever these murderers think they will achieve by killing innocent Americans like Steven, they have already failed.

“They have failed because, like people round the world, Americans are repulsed by their barbarism. We will not be intimidated. Their horrific acts only unite us as a country and stiffen our resolve to take the fight against these terrorists.

“Those who make the mistake of harming Americans will learn that we will not forget, that our reach is long and that justice will be served.”

(snip)


39 posted on 09/03/2014 2:34:12 AM PDT by maggief
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USD Dollar falling HARD on ceasefire news.
http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/DXY:CUR

Ruble rising


40 posted on 09/03/2014 2:35:28 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: GeronL

“Ukraine needs a nuclear weapons program and a medium-range missile”

What Ukraine “needs” is a way to keep the heat and lights on this winter.


41 posted on 09/03/2014 2:35:28 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: GeronL; All

Worked all night, now I’m off for fresh, hot donuts.

Can someone else keep this live thread running for the next 40 minutes or so?


42 posted on 09/03/2014 2:35:28 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: GeronL; All

The REAL question now:

Are the Right Sector and Oligarch militias going to honor the Poroshenko-declared cease-fire?


43 posted on 09/03/2014 2:35:28 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: goldstategop

Based upon the death and destruction the Ukrainian regime has brought to the people of eastern Ukraine I don’t see any uniting of that country for a long time. I wouldn’t forgive and forget.


44 posted on 09/03/2014 2:36:11 AM PDT by McGruff (You can lead a human to knowledge but you can't make him think)
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To: maggief

Sure - if Obama says so.

Back when he was a US Senator, he was insisting Al Qaeda had nothing to do with Iraq.

What a difference a decade makes.


45 posted on 09/03/2014 2:37:18 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Grzegorz 246

Putin won. The western Ukraine will be semi-independent states—when things cool down he will take them with a few votes.


46 posted on 09/03/2014 2:37:42 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: maggief

beheadings does what it says on the tin, those guys are dead, murdered, that’s not failure, does what it did, sent a message.

On the other hand, Obama went golfing, went to fundraisers, did nothing, that too sent a message....the WRONG one.


47 posted on 09/03/2014 2:39:14 AM PDT by sunmars
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To: McGruff

That’s not going to happen.

Novo Rossiya is more or less de facto independent and can expect to prosper with Russian help.

And Russia did not need to capture Kiev to force the fight out of it. Putin is the big winner in a conflict he looked like he was on the verge of losing back in February.

No one now is going to defy Moscow.


48 posted on 09/03/2014 2:41:42 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Yup, its the reality of todays warfare, this is not 1939 when wars were fought with huge armies, these days its economic, tech, strategic.

Its not 1939 europe when armies were mobilized against Hitler, this is gas reliance, economic reliance, payoffs.

There is a lot of people reliant on russian energy, winter is getting closer, Putin turned the screws, its not hero worship, its just where the power lies and a man like Obama who is about as useful as a chocolate teapot.


49 posted on 09/03/2014 2:41:52 AM PDT by sunmars
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To: tcrlaf
No such thing is happening. In fact Ruble is still at its all time low against Dollar.


50 posted on 09/03/2014 2:43:07 AM PDT by Krosan
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