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U.S., allies to stage exercises in West Ukraine as battles rage in East
Reuters ^ | Spe 3rd, 2014 | Peter Apps

Posted on 09/03/2014 8:51:11 AM PDT by Mariner

(Reuters) - As fighting between the army and Russian-backed rebels rages in eastern Ukraine, preparations are under way near its western border for a joint military exercise this month with more than 1,000 troops from the United States and its allies.

The decision to go ahead with the Rapid Trident exercise Sept. 16-26 is seen as a sign of the commitment of NATO states to support non-NATO member Ukraine while stopping well short of military intervention in the conflict.

The annual exercise, to take place in the Yavoriv training center near Ukraine's border with Poland, was initially scheduled for July, but was put back because early planning was disrupted by the crisis in the eastern part of the country.

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1 posted on 09/03/2014 8:51:11 AM PDT by Mariner
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To: Mariner
I'll bet the Rooskies and terrified.
2 posted on 09/03/2014 8:55:53 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

It appears to be a wargame of defending The Ukraine from Poland.


3 posted on 09/03/2014 9:01:59 AM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: Ingtar; Admin Moderator
I'm wondering why this was pulled from breaking news...it's breaking and definitely very, very important.

Potentially existentially important.

4 posted on 09/03/2014 9:08:54 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
I'm wondering why this was pulled from breaking news...it's breaking and definitely very, very important. Potentially existentially important.

It isn't breaking, the exercise was planned, the fighting in the east has been going on for awhile.

5 posted on 09/03/2014 9:43:31 AM PDT by xone
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To: Mariner

yep


6 posted on 09/03/2014 9:51:57 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Mariner

This is absolute lunacy! How about some troops along our southern border to protect the US for a change? Let the Europeans take care of their own damn problems for a change. If we don’t stop the horde of illegals, including criminals and terrorists, from coming into our country there won’t be a US left.


7 posted on 09/03/2014 10:06:25 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: Mariner
"It is very important to understand that a military solution to this problem is not going to be forthcoming," Obama told reporters at the White House last week.

[Putin talking to KGB comrades in Moscow] This is like taking candy from a baby...
8 posted on 09/03/2014 10:34:36 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Mariner

So now we are going to start WWIV.

Great. Is there no one who understands strategy in Washington?


9 posted on 09/03/2014 10:52:19 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Mariner

it will be far from the battlefield


10 posted on 09/03/2014 11:01:58 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL
"it will be far from the battlefield"

In 1997 the US signed a deal (not ratified as a treaty by either side): NATO - Russia Founding Act.

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_25468.htm

NATO agreed to not deploy nukes or combat troops to any of the old Warsaw Pact countries other than what these countries had indigenously...to assuage fierce Russian resistance to the expansion of NATO.

We have now moved Air assets and a small contingent of combat troops into Poland and are talking about a small exercise in Ukraine.

I don't believe Russia will be as sanguine as you are over this matter. In fact they may overtly drive tanks into the heart of Kiev and forcibly expel those troops.

What then?

11 posted on 09/03/2014 12:00:43 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

I am sure you would be celebrating that event, but those few troops will be near the Polish border.

The Evil Empire is back and the sooner people recognize this, the better off we will all be.


12 posted on 09/03/2014 12:03:35 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL
"I am sure you would be celebrating that event,"

Why would you accuse me of that?

Do you often have imaginings not anchored in reality?

13 posted on 09/03/2014 12:05:38 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

what a way to hide those smidgeons of Corruption.....


14 posted on 09/03/2014 12:43:06 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill ...)
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To: MeshugeMikey
What corruption?

Are you suggesting that anyone who does not support US Forces in Ukraine is corrupt?

15 posted on 09/03/2014 12:57:39 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

There are no US forces fighting in Ukraine


16 posted on 09/03/2014 12:58:31 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL
"There are no US forces fighting in Ukraine"

I agree and also know there won't be. At least not overtly.

However, we SHOULD have some specops there to help organize and act as conduit for intelligence. Probably do.

That's way different than a uniformed and flagged Regiment within tactical distance of the Russian border.

That could be construed as an overt provocation by just about any country in the world.

Most have no means of real protest, others can cause some real misery over it.

Why suffer the consequence for no gain whatsoever? It's not like we are going to oppose the Russian Army if they decide to move with authority.

That will not happen, no matter how much the FR Cold Warriors hope for it. And the Russians know it.

17 posted on 09/03/2014 1:12:31 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

Obie might like to point to our troops activities ....to take the heat off those issues wheres he’s been claiming thats theres “not a smidgeon of Corruption”


18 posted on 09/03/2014 6:05:26 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill ...)
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To: Mariner

This sounds like something China would do...


19 posted on 09/03/2014 6:43:37 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Mariner
It's not like we are going to oppose the Russian Army if they decide to move with authority.

I seriously doubt that Russian troops would choose to engage US troops, thereby provoking a major conflagration.

If they actually did so, the (attacked) American troops would have no real choice but to respond with the utmost force...

20 posted on 09/03/2014 11:10:47 PM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: AmericanExceptionalist

Neocons are so silly. Provoking a war with Russia to help cover zero? In fact, a war might just salvage zero and his fellow communists chances in november. If you are old enough to recall how the US behaved when soviet soldiers were in central America, you may understand.


21 posted on 09/04/2014 7:49:13 AM PDT by kneehurts
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To: AmericanExceptionalist
"It's not like we are going to oppose the Russian Army if they decide to move with authority". "I seriously doubt that Russian troops would choose to engage US troops, thereby provoking a major conflagration".

Actually, my quote was about US Forces opposing the Russian Army...which is FAR less likely than Russian forces opposing the US Army...in Ukraine.

The geopolitics of this matters. If the Russians moved on Kiev (unknown at this time), they would likely not shy from encircling US Troops in Ukraine and escorting them back over the border.

22 posted on 09/04/2014 8:11:41 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Thank you


23 posted on 09/04/2014 8:12:58 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Please God send Kerry to Kiev. Please!

In the meantime how about some payback for Vietnam. Arm the Ukrainians with the best we have to spill Russian blood.

24 posted on 09/04/2014 1:22:09 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: GeronL

I’m no General, but I’m thinking that if I were Putin, I would try and rattle Obama a bit and see what happens. I’m sure behind channels have told Obama that Russia will do what it has to do. This is an economic war.

Watch, Putin is going to make our president look like loser.


25 posted on 09/04/2014 1:52:50 PM PDT by nikos1121
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To: nikos1121

Probably not something that is hard to do... make Obamfool look like a loser


26 posted on 09/04/2014 2:00:00 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Sam Gamgee

We are only 2 years too late.


27 posted on 09/04/2014 2:17:56 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Ingtar

Heh, the Yavoriv training center, where this exercise is to be held, is almost as far west of Kiev as Kiev is from Russia. If Putin’s army can be in Kiev in 2 weeks, and given that the Western part of Ukraine would be more hostile to the Russians than Eastern Ukraine, that should give our guys about a month to evade Putin, if need be.


28 posted on 09/04/2014 7:13:11 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: Mariner
The geopolitics of this matters. If the Russians moved on Kiev (unknown at this time), they would likely not shy from encircling US Troops in Ukraine and escorting them back over the border.

Uh, why might you suppose that US troops are so docile as to allow themselves to be "escort[ed]...back over the border," ever so meekly?

29 posted on 09/04/2014 11:07:43 PM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: AmericanExceptionalist
"Uh, why might you suppose that US troops are so docile as to allow themselves to be "escort[ed]...back over the border," ever so meekly? "

Because that will be their ROE. It will also be Russian ROE.

Only a fool commander would order a large battalion to fire on the Russian Army in Ukraine. Only a fool Russian commander would order fire on a thousand American troops unless their goal was existential war.

30 posted on 09/05/2014 9:43:56 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
Because that will be their ROE. It will also be Russian ROE.

Frankly, I am unfamiliar with the acronym. (ROI is return on investment; but I have never before heard of ROE--unless it is followed by "v. Wade.")

Only a fool commander would order a large battalion to fire on the Russian Army in Ukraine. Only a fool Russian commander would order fire on a thousand American troops unless their goal was existential war.

I really do not expect either to happen.

But if Russian troops were to attempt to "escort" American troops anywhere, the certain upshot would be open hostilities. Of that, I feel certain.

31 posted on 09/05/2014 10:52:18 PM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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