Skip to comments.Ukraine crisis: France halts warship delivery to Russia
Posted on 09/03/2014 9:33:48 AM PDT by Krosan
France has said conditions are "not right" for delivery of the first of two Mistral assault navy ships to Russia. President Francois Hollande's office blamed Moscow's recent actions in Ukraine. France had until now resisted pressure to halt the delivery. Correspondents say the EU has struggled to tighten sanctions against Russia, restricting itself to travel bans and asset freezes against individuals.
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Outstanding. That’s a real big improvement. Putin cannot wage war on a peaceful neighbor without paying some price.
I predict they’ll cave before too long. Unless Putin does something absolutely crazy like formally invade.
You mean Russia will cave?
France will eventually deliver the ship once this blows over.
Does Ukraine have the money to buy it?
Why? France isn’t a slave to Russian gas.
What leverage does Puty have?
What leverage does Puty have?
They have none. Putinist Russia is SOL. If Russia presses for damages the EU will ensure that Russia is indicted for unlawful warfare. That will void the contract. Putin’s hybrid war on Ukraine only works if the EU is willing to be willfully blind. So Putin will back off on the Mistral issue. He’ll only lose and he knows that.
I know. But the FR Putanas think he’s invincible .
France. They have the spine of a jellyfish, and won't eat the multi-billion dollar bill for the ships.
Multi-billion dollar contracts for French military hardware.
The French already have the money.
Just for the one they built, and they'll have to give that back. But there's another one about ready and two more that were supposed to be built in Russia with French parts and assistance. It is, as I said, a multi-billion dollar deal for France and they aren't going to just give it up over the Ukraine.
...”France will eventually deliver the ship once this blows over”....
I wonder who else might be in the market for such a ship - Brazil, Turkey?
They should deliver them as soon as the occupation ends
The Ukes don’t have any money and worse, they sold the two carriers that Russia was building, and abandoned, in Ukeland when the USSR broke up. The Ukes sold one of the carriers to China who have it running now, and one to India. I think the Indians are using theirs to smuggle elephants? By getting Krimea back Ivan might have a warm water shipyard again and be able to resume large ship construction . It no doubt hurt Pootin’s feelings that he had to pay the Frogs to build a couple of ships for him.
The site is full of Putinistas gleeful with Putin’s illegal war; they seem to think a real conservative has no ethics, morals, pity for the weak, or sense of charity. They confuse conservatism with teachings Machiavelli, Nietzsche, and Lenin. I would have never thought so many “conservatives” could value amoral, ruthless, military aggression as a sign of strength.
oh please get down off the cross, we need the wood....
The Evil Empire is back and on full display
Are you new to these threads?
Now, you mock the cross too. Wow. Such a conservative. I mock Putin. Get over it.
So much for a naval engagement between Russia and Ukraine. Odessa harbor can sleep peacefully tonight./s
No, we see a modern military unleashed and remember when our leaders had the will to wield power. The leaders we have now think a military is police. Or meals on wheels. Or nation builders.
A modern military power is real good at killing people and demolishing infrastructure. That is why we have a military. Military might backed by the will to turn it loose is the ultimate deterrent. Regan got it. Putin understands that. H.W. Bush understood that.
Sadly, many Americans no longer understand. Weakness invites attack. B52's with a bellyful of thermonuclear hell flying 24 - 7 -365 kept the Soviet Union at bay till it collapsed playing keep up with the Jetsons.
So if a fellow freeper sounds like a Putin supporter, consider the viewpoint. We can admire the tactics from an academic point of view while decrying the evil action.
Interesting observations and comments. I agree with much of what you said. However, Putin is succeeding, and that is the danger. He thinks he’s a new Napoleon or Hitler with better weapons and plans.
Putin’s Russia is a direct threat to the survival of the United States, and if he officially joins Red China in a joint military command system, we are toast.
Obama has “fundamentally changed America” with his key success being in the emasculation of our total military strength and programs. He has also emasculated our seasoned command officers, replacing them with PC asskissers all the way up to and including the head of the JCS.
There are no Secretary of anything re Defense who have any balls or intelligence worth mentioning. Hagel? Mabus? whoever else is caving in to Obie in order to save their worthless careers.
We have no Pattons, no Grants, no Andy Jacksons. We have PC cowards with fruit salads on their chests and fruitcake for brains. I met better ARVN and Cambodia commanders who were real fighters despite overwhelming enemy forces than I have seen leading us in DC.
Our commanders in Afghanistan may be good but they caved into disasterous Rules of Engagement which cost many American and allied lives, instead of standing up and protesting them, up to the point of publicly resigning and stating why these ROE were costing us victory.
Putin will be like Stalin. Fire and execute incompetent or cowardly commanders to the point that he gets his Blitzreig forces in shape with willing COs. Meanwhile we have Hagel, Dempsey and Kerry (the 3 Stooges of our defense system).
Oh how safe I feel today. I was safer in Saigon.
Then they can give any future sales to any other country in Europe, or anyone that borders on Russia, or any country where we still have some leverage. Nope. Putys gonna be stuck with his crappy substandard home grown .
None of them are buying.
Nope. Putys gonna be stuck with his crappy substandard home grown .
Hope you're right but think you're wrong.
The problem with France isn’t that Putin might have leverage. The problem with France is that it’s filled with French people.
I was just young enough to miss the Viet Nam war. Graduated in 74. The treatment the vets got in that time frame still makes my blood boil. The ban on bombing supply ships was bad enough. The "welcome" many got upon returning home was shameful.
Today a local cop has looser rules of engagement on us than a soldier in Afghanistan. That is nuts.
Oh they will be buying now. Puty made sure of that.