Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Ukraine crisis: France halts warship delivery to Russia
BBC ^ | 3 September 2014 | BBC

Posted on 09/03/2014 9:33:48 AM PDT by Krosan

France has said conditions are "not right" for delivery of the first of two Mistral assault navy ships to Russia. President Francois Hollande's office blamed Moscow's recent actions in Ukraine. France had until now resisted pressure to halt the delivery. Correspondents say the EU has struggled to tighten sanctions against Russia, restricting itself to travel bans and asset freezes against individuals.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: france; nato; russia; ukraine

1 posted on 09/03/2014 9:33:49 AM PDT by Krosan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Krosan

Outstanding. That’s a real big improvement. Putin cannot wage war on a peaceful neighbor without paying some price.


2 posted on 09/03/2014 9:48:09 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: elhombrelibre

I predict they’ll cave before too long. Unless Putin does something absolutely crazy like formally invade.


3 posted on 09/03/2014 9:50:27 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: DoodleDawg

You mean Russia will cave?


4 posted on 09/03/2014 9:56:31 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Krosan

France will eventually deliver the ship once this blows over.


5 posted on 09/03/2014 10:05:19 AM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Krosan

Does Ukraine have the money to buy it?


6 posted on 09/03/2014 10:34:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Thunder90

Why? France isn’t a slave to Russian gas.
What leverage does Puty have?


7 posted on 09/03/2014 10:37:07 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger e)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Krosan
Vive la France!
8 posted on 09/03/2014 10:39:21 AM PDT by MeganC (It took Democrats four hours to deport Elian Gonzalez)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kozak

What leverage does Puty have?


They have none. Putinist Russia is SOL. If Russia presses for damages the EU will ensure that Russia is indicted for unlawful warfare. That will void the contract. Putin’s hybrid war on Ukraine only works if the EU is willing to be willfully blind. So Putin will back off on the Mistral issue. He’ll only lose and he knows that.


9 posted on 09/03/2014 10:54:03 AM PDT by lodi90
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: lodi90

I know. But the FR Putanas think he’s invincible .


10 posted on 09/03/2014 10:56:55 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger e)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: elhombrelibre
You mean Russia will cave?

France. They have the spine of a jellyfish, and won't eat the multi-billion dollar bill for the ships.

11 posted on 09/03/2014 10:59:43 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Kozak
What leverage does Puty have?

Multi-billion dollar contracts for French military hardware.

12 posted on 09/03/2014 11:00:46 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: DoodleDawg

The French already have the money.


13 posted on 09/03/2014 11:17:16 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger e)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Kozak
The French already have the money.

Just for the one they built, and they'll have to give that back. But there's another one about ready and two more that were supposed to be built in Russia with French parts and assistance. It is, as I said, a multi-billion dollar deal for France and they aren't going to just give it up over the Ukraine.

14 posted on 09/03/2014 11:20:18 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Thunder90

...”France will eventually deliver the ship once this blows over”....

Of course.


15 posted on 09/03/2014 11:52:02 AM PDT by caww
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Krosan

I wonder who else might be in the market for such a ship - Brazil, Turkey?


16 posted on 09/03/2014 11:55:21 AM PDT by Truth29
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: caww

They should deliver them as soon as the occupation ends


17 posted on 09/03/2014 11:58:12 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

The Ukes don’t have any money and worse, they sold the two carriers that Russia was building, and abandoned, in Ukeland when the USSR broke up. The Ukes sold one of the carriers to China who have it running now, and one to India. I think the Indians are using theirs to smuggle elephants? By getting Krimea back Ivan might have a warm water shipyard again and be able to resume large ship construction . It no doubt hurt Pootin’s feelings that he had to pay the Frogs to build a couple of ships for him.


18 posted on 09/03/2014 12:40:27 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Kozak

The site is full of Putinistas gleeful with Putin’s illegal war; they seem to think a real conservative has no ethics, morals, pity for the weak, or sense of charity. They confuse conservatism with teachings Machiavelli, Nietzsche, and Lenin. I would have never thought so many “conservatives” could value amoral, ruthless, military aggression as a sign of strength.


19 posted on 09/03/2014 12:56:54 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: elhombrelibre

oh please get down off the cross, we need the wood....


20 posted on 09/03/2014 12:59:30 PM PDT by sunmars
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: elhombrelibre

The Evil Empire is back and on full display


21 posted on 09/03/2014 1:00:47 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: sunmars

Are you new to these threads?


22 posted on 09/03/2014 1:07:15 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: sunmars

Now, you mock the cross too. Wow. Such a conservative. I mock Putin. Get over it.


23 posted on 09/03/2014 1:18:16 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Krosan

So much for a naval engagement between Russia and Ukraine. Odessa harbor can sleep peacefully tonight./s


24 posted on 09/03/2014 2:46:43 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: elhombrelibre
I would have never thought so many “conservatives” could value amoral, ruthless, military aggression as a sign of strength.

No, we see a modern military unleashed and remember when our leaders had the will to wield power. The leaders we have now think a military is police. Or meals on wheels. Or nation builders.

A modern military power is real good at killing people and demolishing infrastructure. That is why we have a military. Military might backed by the will to turn it loose is the ultimate deterrent. Regan got it. Putin understands that. H.W. Bush understood that.

Sadly, many Americans no longer understand. Weakness invites attack. B52's with a bellyful of thermonuclear hell flying 24 - 7 -365 kept the Soviet Union at bay till it collapsed playing keep up with the Jetsons.

So if a fellow freeper sounds like a Putin supporter, consider the viewpoint. We can admire the tactics from an academic point of view while decrying the evil action.

25 posted on 09/03/2014 4:19:26 PM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: SpeakerToAnimals

Interesting observations and comments. I agree with much of what you said. However, Putin is succeeding, and that is the danger. He thinks he’s a new Napoleon or Hitler with better weapons and plans.

Putin’s Russia is a direct threat to the survival of the United States, and if he officially joins Red China in a joint military command system, we are toast.

Obama has “fundamentally changed America” with his key success being in the emasculation of our total military strength and programs. He has also emasculated our seasoned command officers, replacing them with PC asskissers all the way up to and including the head of the JCS.

There are no Secretary of anything re Defense who have any balls or intelligence worth mentioning. Hagel? Mabus? whoever else is caving in to Obie in order to save their worthless careers.

We have no Pattons, no Grants, no Andy Jacksons. We have PC cowards with fruit salads on their chests and fruitcake for brains. I met better ARVN and Cambodia commanders who were real fighters despite overwhelming enemy forces than I have seen leading us in DC.

Our commanders in Afghanistan may be good but they caved into disasterous Rules of Engagement which cost many American and allied lives, instead of standing up and protesting them, up to the point of publicly resigning and stating why these ROE were costing us victory.

Putin will be like Stalin. Fire and execute incompetent or cowardly commanders to the point that he gets his Blitzreig forces in shape with willing COs. Meanwhile we have Hagel, Dempsey and Kerry (the 3 Stooges of our defense system).

Oh how safe I feel today. I was safer in Saigon.


26 posted on 09/03/2014 6:35:47 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: cherokee1
Ukraine sold the Chicoms a rusting, 20-year-old hull that was obsolete the day the keel was laid.
27 posted on 09/03/2014 6:40:35 PM PDT by riverdawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: DoodleDawg

Then they can give any future sales to any other country in Europe, or anyone that borders on Russia, or any country where we still have some leverage. Nope. Putys gonna be stuck with his crappy substandard home grown .


28 posted on 09/03/2014 6:42:09 PM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger e)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Kozak
Then they can give any future sales to any other country in Europe, or anyone that borders on Russia, or any country where we still have some leverage

None of them are buying.

Nope. Putys gonna be stuck with his crappy substandard home grown .

Hope you're right but think you're wrong.

29 posted on 09/03/2014 6:46:30 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Kozak

The problem with France isn’t that Putin might have leverage. The problem with France is that it’s filled with French people.


30 posted on 09/03/2014 6:50:11 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
Our commanders in Afghanistan may be good but they caved into disasterous Rules of Engagement which cost many American and allied lives, instead of standing up and protesting them, up to the point of publicly resigning and stating why these ROE were costing us victory.

I was just young enough to miss the Viet Nam war. Graduated in 74. The treatment the vets got in that time frame still makes my blood boil. The ban on bombing supply ships was bad enough. The "welcome" many got upon returning home was shameful.

Today a local cop has looser rules of engagement on us than a soldier in Afghanistan. That is nuts.

31 posted on 09/03/2014 6:53:26 PM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: DoodleDawg

Oh they will be buying now. Puty made sure of that.


32 posted on 09/03/2014 7:24:08 PM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger e)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: SpeakerToAnimals

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/386990/vladimir-putins-hitlerian-mind-george-will


33 posted on 09/03/2014 10:04:13 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson