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I despised Saddam’s police state, but the Islamic State would not exist under his rule
Washington Post ^ | Sept 21 2014 | Saif Al-Azzawi

Posted on 09/21/2014 8:46:09 PM PDT by WilliamIII

When people ask me how I feel about the latest events in Iraq, I tell them I feel sad. All these people — both Americans and Iraqis who have died since 2003 — died for nothing. And as the Islamic State insurgency unfolds, and as Iraq tries once again for a peaceful political transition, I’m mourning not just those who have died over the past decade, but for a country that I haven’t been able to recognize for a very long time.

I grew up in Baghdad in a middle-class family. My father served in the Iraqi Air Force and often traveled internationally; my mother was a math teacher; my siblings all attended college. I graduated from the most prestigious high school in Baghdad before getting my degree at pharmacy school.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: iraq; isis; saddam
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1 posted on 09/21/2014 8:46:09 PM PDT by WilliamIII
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To: WilliamIII

Truer words were never spoken.


2 posted on 09/21/2014 8:48:27 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.)
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To: WilliamIII

Bush’s fault.


3 posted on 09/21/2014 8:48:52 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the earth for a thousand years.)
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Yeah but ISIS didn’t exist under Bush’s rule either. So maybe the ISIS problem lies elsewhere.


4 posted on 09/21/2014 8:49:35 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: WilliamIII

Nor would it exist if Obama had not pulled us out of Iraq ad armed ISIS.

They existed fine under Hussein in alliance.


5 posted on 09/21/2014 8:50:11 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: WilliamIII; Nachum; GeronL
Maybe if people hadn't bought into the bullcrud that was spouted by Dead Red Ted Kennedy "Abu Ghraib has just reopened under new leadership" (with the same old policies of torture and murder in place), Fatass Million Dollar Marxist Michael Moore, and dopey dope Hunter S. Thompson (who called Abu Ghraib worse than the worst Nazi attrocities while writing for the "apolitical and fired Rush Limbaugh over it" Disney-ESPN), just MAYBE our troops wouldn't have been branded "Rapists", "War Criminals", "imperialists", etc.

CNN covered up torture and abuse under Saddam Hussein to maintain their Baghdad Bureau.

The Bush administration was already prosecuting those involved in the Abu Ghraib case when the MSM tried to use the news of it to oust Bush from office (in 2004's election). All it did was serve as agitprop to flood terrorists (much like the Islamic State recruits) into Iraq.

6 posted on 09/21/2014 8:51:22 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Hey Obama: If Islamic State is not Islamic, then why did you give Osama Bin Laden a muslim funeral?)
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To: Gene Eric

No kidding, people are taking the surrender of Iraq by Obama after we won it, and using it to defend their position of maintaining Saddam Hussein in power against Bush and the world.

Since the left wing media likes their fake argument, we know what the public will come to believe.


7 posted on 09/21/2014 8:52:38 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The media silently tolerated Hussein’s tactics. The press was decidedly anti-US war effort and served as enemy propagandists. No better than Mildred Gillars or Lord Haw Haw (both of whom at least wore the uniforms of the enemy in WWII).


8 posted on 09/21/2014 8:52:45 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Hey Obama: If Islamic State is not Islamic, then why did you give Osama Bin Laden a muslim funeral?)
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To: WilliamIII

Dear saif

Oh just shut up. For years your people sipped sweet mint tea and muttered darkly about how the US backed Saddam as a plot against Arabs

Now you’re whining about the lost opportunity your manly fighters lost when thousands of our brave troops died to remove him and give your society a clean shot at building a modern democracy.

Just. Shut up. You. Ungrateful. Sob.

Most sincerely


9 posted on 09/21/2014 8:52:51 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not sure about that “truth”. Assad still rules Syria where ISIS readily incubates.


10 posted on 09/21/2014 8:54:00 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: WilliamIII

It’s like saying the “Islamic State” wouldn’t exist under Assad’s rule.

Would be interesting to wargame out the Iraq invasion never happening.

How would Obama destabilizing Syria, Egypt and Libya have affected the ME with Hussein still in power? Assuming, of course, that he wouldn’t have also pranced around with Saddam too.


11 posted on 09/21/2014 8:55:42 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici
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To: WilliamIII

And Saddam was going to live forever right. What happened in the Balkans after Tito would have been replicated ten fold by the pent up anger of Shiite and Sunni and Kurd.


12 posted on 09/21/2014 8:55:52 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: Gene Eric

Who did Saddam allow to oppose him during his reign? Sometimes a strongman is what a country needs, especially one with over five different religious sects. I served my first tour in Korea when Park Chung-Hee was their strongman and met him more than once. He was what was needed in that time period but would not work there now.


13 posted on 09/21/2014 8:58:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.)
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To: Balding_Eagle
Bush’s Roger Goodell's fault.

There, fixed it. Goodell is the new fall guy for everything.

14 posted on 09/21/2014 8:58:15 PM PDT by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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To: ansel12

Agreed.


15 posted on 09/21/2014 8:58:18 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: WilliamIII

This is also what a friend of ours, a general in the Iraqi military says.


16 posted on 09/21/2014 8:59:25 PM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: WilliamIII

Sorry, no more support for the Rockefeller clan using the US military for their personal war games and business ventures.

Afghanistan still makes 90% of the world’s heroin.

Every US President reports to those new world order people; Clinton, the Bush family, Obama.

New name, same job description.

Sign the orders your elite handlers tell you to.


17 posted on 09/21/2014 9:03:04 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I get the argument about the stabilizing dictator. I wasn’t in favor of the removal of Mubarak nor Qaddafi for that matter. But Iraq had serious potential that was squandered by a narcissistic charlatan. The West could have easily prevented ISIS penetration into Iraq.


18 posted on 09/21/2014 9:03:28 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: xkaydet65

Saddam had two rapist sons to inherit the seat of power.

Meanwhile Obama took it upon himself to kill Momar Gaddafi. It was a war crime and unprovoked war, plain and simple. Gaddafi was a POW who was paraded about, tortured, abused, then publicly murdered. Sec. of State Hillary Clinton cackled “WE came, WE saw, HE DIED!!!”.

No one speaks out about that “regime change” that empowered Islamic imperialists. Gaddafi kept them down too, supposedly.

These anti-american arm chair quarterbacks can go screw with their revisionist “boosh hatred”.


19 posted on 09/21/2014 9:03:35 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Hey Obama: If Islamic State is not Islamic, then why did you give Osama Bin Laden a muslim funeral?)
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To: WilliamIII
Well....lol...

I doubt Saddam would still be running the show if we had not intervened.

Uday and Kusay..(sp) would likely be in charge..

So how does that change your predictions..??

20 posted on 09/21/2014 9:03:56 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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