Posted on 10/22/2014 11:54:09 PM PDT by Olog-hai
A primary school has been accused of racism after English speaking children were barred from going on school trip and forced to attend classes instead.
St Mary’s C of E Primary School in Kidderminster, Worcs., laid on a petting zoo visit on Tuesday for non-English speaking pupils only, while pupils who did speak the language had to stay in lessons.
Parents criticized the decision and said their children had been discriminated against for being British.
Several even refused to allow their children to go to school on the day of the trip to Rays Farm, near Bridgnorth, Shrops., which was laid on at the taxpayers’ expense. …
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Westerners are so stupid and ignorant, they’re actually letting foreigners push them out of their own nations.
If I was a member of ISIS, I’d be planning attacks too....
Increasingly, it is hard to sympathize with the west at all. Its time the modern left wing trash and the Islamonazies climb into a cage together, lock the door, and let the thunderdome commence!
The purpose of the trip was to help the non-English speaking children learn English.
As I support immigrant children (children of genuine lawful immigrants, I mean) learning the native language of their new society as quickly as possible, I find it hard to be outraged by measures being taken to do that.
Baloney. You don’t segregate English speakers from the trip, the most likely of all to help these kids learn English.
What’s a “Westerner”?
Multiculturalism has been an absolute failure. Integration in schools has destroyed the public education system. Integration of neighborhoods has brought crime and violence to the suburbs.
The whole purpose of government social engineering has been to put the middle class under the control of the political class.
It was the left that invented segregation, remember. And here they are pushing it again. So the opposite is not necessarily a failure, especially when the left-dominated “communities” push the destruction of the family and everything against Judeo-Christian morality. Don’t fall into the left’s trap.
As for “the public education system”, the fact that it’s government-controlled ought to say it all, never mind their persistent opposition to homeschooling.
Yes, you do actually some of the time - if you're actually interested in truly educating children as opposed to just indoctrinating them in socialist ideas like "all children are equal and there are no differences in ability" as all too many schools are nowadays.
Grouping by ability is by far the most effective way of educating children quickly and efficiently - taking children at the same level and putting them together and targeting their specific needs, rather than trying to do this in a group of widely disparate needs. When it comes to language teaching, that means taking the children who don't speak a language well and putting them together for specifically targeted lessons.
And when you look at the primers used in early primary school to teach children how to read, one of the best ways to help young children from ESL backgrounds to learn English quickly is to expose them to the common nouns and verbs in those books in real life environments. Visiting zoos and farms is a good way to do this as so many of these books use animals as basic concepts for illustrations - you need the child knowing that the animal they are looking at is a tiger is you want them to start working out that the initial sound in that word is a 'T'.
I'm a history teacher at one of Australia's most successful independent schools - a role I came to fairly late in life after a military career because of the influence of my wife weho is one of the senior English/Primary Literacy teachers at the same school. She's been running programs that work to create highly educated and literate children for about thirty years at this point. We know what works.
Yes, you want the children to have considerable contact with native English speakers - but not all the time. You need targeted work to meet their needs, and at the same time, it means the kids who already speak English can get lessons aimed at their higher level rather than having to put up with lesson always being aimed at the kids in the class who need special help, and finding themselves being used as tools to teach others who are at a lower level, rather than being given their own opportunities to learn.
What muslim language WAS spoken/allowed to go on the trip ?
So you’re arguing against socialism by arguing for it.
It’s the individuals who vary in ability, not the group. They would learn faster by being exposed to the English speakers, not sequestered away from them. Animals do not talk, so how would they learn English better from them?
What’s a Muslim language?
The Koran promotes Arabic, but that language existed before the Koran.
A person whose ancestors come from the most-Western part of Europe, limited from the East by the Slavic countries.
I don’t know ... it IS a stipid question in those words ... but ... what language WAS allowed ?
Given where Kidderminster is, the most likely language for ESL children to have spoken is Punjabi, which is spoken by a lot of Muslims but also by a lot of Hindus and Sikhs as well. The next most common language is Polish.
Gee, if all the children are non-English speaking are they going to speak English?
Maybe if the English speaking children were on the trip, English would be spoken.
Having a hard time seeing the logic in excluding English speaking children when the goal is to learn English.
Cripes. Give us a break. I remember Italian kids who could not speak English being immersed in English speaking classes. There was no concept of bilingual education. This is the 1950's. After a couple of months I could talk with the Italian kid.
Technically, it’s a stupid move. Communication is a very productive way to teach a foreign language, especially in that primary school age.
No, I most certainly am not. I am opposed to socialist ideas of cramming all children into the same classes regardless of ability or attainment levels and not differentiating instruction to address differences.
It’s the individuals who vary in ability, not the group. They would learn faster by being exposed to the English speakers, not sequestered away from them. Animals do not talk, so how would they learn English better from them?
Expecting them to learn English by exposure to the English speakers, means treating the rights of English speaking children as less important in the classroom than the right of non-English speaking children. English speaking children are in that classroom to learn themselves - not to just be used as tools to teach non-English speaking children. ESL children should be in the regular classroom most of the time - but not all the time. They should be taken out for targeted teaching.
And it's not a matter of children learning English from animals. As I said, it's to do with exposure to basic English vocabulary. I'm not sure how often you see basic 'readers' or primers, the types of books specifically written and designed to teach children language skills but these books tend to be illustrated with pictures that directly relate to the text on the page. They rely on children being able to identify what the pictures show and what words go with those pictures.
That means building common English vocabulary and that is where experiences like this are useful.
Some people prefer being outraged, rather than looking to see how problems can be fixed. But I'm not a socialist in any way, shape or form. I believe in education that works - and that means acknowledging differences among children - all differences - and designing educational experiences that address those differences where they impede learning. I believe it's critically important that children in English speaking countries learn English as quickly as possible, and that means given them the lessons they need to make sure that happens early. And that is what this school seems to me to be trying to do.
We had an Italian kid show up in the fifties ... maybe 4th or 5th grade, and one of my classmates showed off his ability to speak Italian by asking,
"You lack'a d' scala ?"
I'm not kidding and all us English and profanity speakers were in awe at his command of Italian.
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