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New York Times Column: Why Polls Tend to Undercount Democrats
New York Times, The Upshot ^ | 10/30/2014 | Nate Cohn

Posted on 10/30/2014 10:41:42 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Polls show that the Republicans have an advantage in the fight for control of the Senate. They lead in enough states to win control, and they have additional opportunities in North Carolina and New Hampshire to make up for potential upsets. As Election Day nears, Democratic hopes increasingly hinge on the possibility that the polls will simply prove wrong.

But that possibility is not far-fetched. The polls have generally underestimated Democrats in recent years, and there are reasons to think it could happen again.

In 2010, the polls underestimated the Democrats in every competitive Senate race by an average of 3.1 percentage points, based on data from The Huffington Post’s Pollster model. In 2012, pre-election polls underestimated President Obama in nine of the 10 battleground states by an average of 2 percentage points.

A couple of elections in which polls tilt slightly Republican aren’t enough to prove anything. The polls have erred before, only to prove fine over the longer term.

But the reasons to think that today’s polls underestimate Democrats are not based on just the last few years of results. They are also based on a fairly diverse set of methodological arguments, supported by extensive research, suggesting that many of today’s polls struggle to reach Democratic-leaning groups.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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1 posted on 10/30/2014 10:41:42 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Because dead people and multiple voters are underrepresented in polling.


2 posted on 10/30/2014 10:43:12 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Slimes laying the groundwork for the coming fraud?


3 posted on 10/30/2014 10:43:38 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: SeekAndFind
Deranged.

Or really counting on the DNC's legendary ballot manufacturing operation.

4 posted on 10/30/2014 10:43:50 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Genoa

That was my thought too. Hard to tell how many dead people and illegal aliens will vote.


5 posted on 10/30/2014 10:44:25 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: SeekAndFind

I thought all aggregators built that into the results. So that using historical data, poll results are adjusted up/down based upon how close the they came to getting the “correct” result two years ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2014/senate-model/comparisons.html


6 posted on 10/30/2014 10:46:25 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Dead people have difficulty answering the phone and illegal aliens don’t speak English well enough to do the poll.


7 posted on 10/30/2014 10:46:26 AM PDT by MNnice
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To: SeekAndFind

Because voter fraud is hard to predict


8 posted on 10/30/2014 10:46:29 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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Polls don’t count the non-citizen vote which is substantial and almost entirely Democrat. Polls don’t allow for all sorts of vote fraud which, as the numerous vote-fraud trials of the past few years show, is entirely Democrat implementation.I would guess that vote fraud constitutes more than 5 per cent of the total vote, maybe a lot more. And Republicans will not make any effort to ameliorate it above the state level. Democrat ruled states encourage it.


9 posted on 10/30/2014 10:47:02 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: SeekAndFind
Polls underestimate Dems because:
10 posted on 10/30/2014 10:48:57 AM PDT by jdege
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The biggest reason that polls undercount Democrats?

Because the dead only vote, they don’t have time for polls.


11 posted on 10/30/2014 10:49:00 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: AppyPappy

As is the Push/Pull/Drag machine. Especially with weeks of early voting.


12 posted on 10/30/2014 10:49:05 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (Liberalism: Promising Utopia - Delivering Detroit)
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To: SeekAndFind

People do not stuff the ballot box in a poll.
Dead people are not interviewed.
People are not counted twice (or ten times).

The percent difference between the final poll numbers and actual votes counted may be a proxy for the percentage of fraudulent votes.


13 posted on 10/30/2014 10:55:57 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Unscrewing the polls.” Nathan Cohn is looking for a silver lining in a storm.

The Left is getting desperate if they have to shout Democrats are underrepresented in the polls.

Huh? These are their polls! This is too funny to watch.


14 posted on 10/30/2014 10:56:56 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s hard to tell just how many times the machines will have to be recalibrated and how many time the same liberal will be allowed to vote and how many illegals will be bused in to the polling sites.


15 posted on 10/30/2014 10:57:06 AM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "we still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: mrsmel

BINGO


16 posted on 10/30/2014 11:03:06 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens. KILL THE BILL!)
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One reason is that most of them are ILLEGALS or THE DEAD!!

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17 posted on 10/30/2014 11:06:18 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty. ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SeekAndFind

Because it’s difficult to poll democrat voters who haven’t left Guatemala yet?


18 posted on 10/30/2014 11:08:41 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Legacy of 'Obama The Divider' - Racial Revenge)
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To: SeekAndFind


19 posted on 10/30/2014 11:11:40 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Legacy of 'Obama The Divider' - Racial Revenge)
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To: SeekAndFind

Another “don’t-believe-your-lying-eyes” “whistlin’-past-the-graveyard” article from socialism’s cheerleaders.


20 posted on 10/30/2014 11:20:23 AM PDT by IronJack
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