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How to survive in a dogfight, alone against six MiGs
The Aviationist ^ | Nov 05 2014 | Dario Leone

Posted on 11/05/2014 6:09:32 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki

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1 posted on 11/05/2014 6:09:32 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
There is a reason they don't call them 'hittles'.

/johnny

3 posted on 11/05/2014 6:15:55 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Having EVERY weapons system fail would suck out loud!


4 posted on 11/05/2014 6:17:04 PM PST by Don W (To laugh, perhaps to dream...)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I remember an old PC game I used to play “US Navy Fighters ‘98” but their version of the F-8 left a lot to be desired.


5 posted on 11/05/2014 6:20:50 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

ADM James Stockdale was flying one of those when he was shot down over North Vietnam.


6 posted on 11/05/2014 6:23:51 PM PST by Ken522
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To: F15Eagle
"launching a Sidewinder….which didn’t explode."

"one of the four AIM-9s carried by the F-8 had already experienced a failure before take off."

"Schaffert shot another missile which failed to explode."

"all the four 20 mm cannons…choked! The problem was caused by a common defect of Crusader cannons: the pneumatic ammunition feed system disconnected after high-Gs maneuvers."

Sounds like a problem with the equipment or their design/manufacture.

7 posted on 11/05/2014 6:24:27 PM PST by Carl Vehse
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To: Carl Vehse

Or the armorers.


8 posted on 11/05/2014 6:29:54 PM PST by pfflier
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I recall reading somewhere that early versions of the sidewinder had high failure rates, but that’s just ridiculous. I’m sure he had a few choice words for the armorers when he got back.

CC


9 posted on 11/05/2014 6:32:10 PM PST by Celtic Conservative (sufficient unto the day are the troubles therof.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Best show on TV - ever...and here's the episode covering this...
10 posted on 11/05/2014 6:32:24 PM PST by TomServo
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The weapons sound about as reliable as the US torpedoes in early WWII.


11 posted on 11/05/2014 6:34:14 PM PST by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: TomServo

Agree! excellent representations and explanations of the tactics. Thanks for the link.


12 posted on 11/05/2014 6:38:06 PM PST by corkoman
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"The problem was caused by a common defect of Crusader cannons: the pneumatic ammunition feed system disconnected after high-Gs maneuvers. "

Snort. The Navy/Marine attempt at a high rate of fire gunpod, the Mk4, was a POS because the pnuematic feed tray/system woucl cause jams 9/10 times. Very few of the damn things would work reliably, and the tech reps had no idea why that was.

13 posted on 11/05/2014 6:38:13 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: Don W

aren’t we supposed to shoot at em at some point. who made the armaments.


14 posted on 11/05/2014 6:40:09 PM PST by kvanbrunt2 (civil law: commanding what is right and prohibiting what is wrong Blackstone Commentaries I p44)
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To: GeronL
I remember seeing that sim, just downloaded it. Got an old desktop set up for DOS games, etc., nice to tinker with like the old days... C:\ and all that jazz!
15 posted on 11/05/2014 6:46:05 PM PST by W. (We won. Get over it! Or not. I don't care...because we won!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

That first picture of an F8 in this thread was one of “mine”!

I was an Aviation Ordnanceman on the USS Hancock, CVA19 (NP on the tail).

108 was a VF211 bird. Gives me a bit of tear in the eye.


16 posted on 11/05/2014 6:49:14 PM PST by lrdg
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To: W.

I loved that game. Loved setting up my own battle scenarios, even with the enemy and friendly ground forces that would attack each other. lol

I had this one scenario on the Vietnam map, but I made versions where I was in an A-6, F-4 (carrier launch or not), A-2, F-8 and even a MiG. Mine had the A-10 and Harriers too.

I remember the cheats let me fly copters and planes that weren’t supposed to be part of the game, and a giant moth or something.


17 posted on 11/05/2014 7:05:59 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: W.

There were a LOT more than 6 aircraft available to fly


18 posted on 11/05/2014 7:07:22 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

Nice! had one called Jetfighter lll that was fun, it was called the last of the great DOS sims, but I can’t find a download. Yet... gotta love that abandonware!


19 posted on 11/05/2014 7:19:21 PM PST by W. (We won. Get over it! Or not. I don't care...because we won!)
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To: W.

Yep. I have no idea who owns the rights to the game I cited these days.


20 posted on 11/05/2014 7:21:12 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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