Posted on 02/09/2015 11:24:10 PM PST by Stayfrosty
Western countries had broken pledges not to expand Nato and forced countries to choose between them and Russia, Mr Putin told an Egyptian newspaper.
(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...
So how does that prove he is devious? He took a political stance that cost him his business?
I think the Ukranians want to be free of Russian interference, free to go there own way. I didn't see any talk of Ukraine joining Nato until after this mess began. Ukraine just wanted more economic ties to Europe. Putin is no saint either, he is the master of oligarchs in Russia and ruler of a gangster economy. It make me sick to see people sucking up to him.
You say that Russia doesn't want a war, but it doesn't stop them from throwing their weight around, in Georgia, threatening the Baltic states. They don't seem very peace loving to me.
And risk being called a Putin apologist? Putin is Hitler, doncha know!
Wretched US Journalism on Ukraine
Good article.
Dan, regarding Georgia—what do you expect Russia to do when NATO expands without consultation or veto powers in their former republics? Wouldn’t the US engage in similar activities if the Russian’s started building military bases in say, Mexico or the Bahamas? I’m trying to dispel this notion that the EU and NATO are worth starting WW3 over. Last I checked every time a US Soldier died in Afghanistan it was labeled a “NATO Soldier.” It is painfully obvious that the Socialists and the EU in general are looking for cheap labor and they are expanding their aims through eastern bloc countries. By supporting a coup in Ukraine and then expanding it into a conflict with Russia they hope to attract NATO military assistance which amounts to US involvement. You can support the Kiev government all day long—I’m just trying to offer a differing perspective and view point. I don’t think Putin is absent from criticism and from being labeled a criminal; but, I do think that our blind support for the ultra-left that has taken hold in Europe is not worth sending our women to fight for. Yes, our women. The US Military seems to think that putting our daughters and sisters on the front lines and in combat units is a great idea. That will be who we send to take on hardened Russian combat vets if war does break out. This arming of Ukraine is a serious escalation and I’m not so certain that the conservatives in this country have thought this out. President Obama has been in conflict with Russia since day one. Vladimir claims to be a reformed Christian and rejects the notion of state sanctioned homosexuality. Mr. Putin also has stayed steadfast in his support for Assad while we supported the rebels— I don’t think I need to bring up any more screw-ups with our foreign policy in both Libya and Syria as they now speak for themselves. I think if we support the Kiev Govt, we are overtly supporting leftist ideals in Europe and of course the US taxpayer and the US Military will be the tools to bail them out of a conflict with Russia.
There have never been any pledges to Russia regarding NATO expansion. They made it up. It's always like that, even Hitler and Stalin weren't yelling “kill’em all”, war was always fault of someone else and they just “had no choice”, “had to defend their countries” and so on... and “countries” weren't forced to choose between NATO and Russia, “countries” spent years begging to be allowed to join... why ? Otherwise we wouldn't be talking about sending arm to Ukraine but likely about sending arms to underground in Russian occupied Latvia or Estonia.
“Why is there this rush to all of a sudden support Ukraine with arms?”
Which rush ? Russia has been sending thousands pieces of hardware and “soldiers on vacation” across the border since almost a year. But somehow now potential deliveries of anti-tank missiles and other small arms to Ukraine would be a major escalation ? Those damn British warmongers, they dared to evacuate some troops from Dunkirk.
“While I was an active duty Officer serving in Afghanistan, I found it interesting that most of the “NATO” contributing countries refused the “hard” missions and stayed strictly on their camps. They seemed to be milking the resources from the US.”
Majority of NATO countries had totally no interests in Afghanistan. Even If soldiers from country x were only guarding the base, you still should be grateful for that. It's like the French were fighting some war in Africa and complaining that “Damn Yanks only help us with air support and don't fight our battles in the jungle”. BTW +1000 non-American troops died in that shithole.
“This conflict seems to be more about keeping the leftist agenda and the EU monetary system afloat”
Yeah, that's why Merkel, Holland and a bunch of other EUnuch can't wait to throw Ukraine under the bus and come back to business as usual with botox Vlady.
Perhaps the only way to stave off a global economical collapse is to start another cold/hot war.....
Cairo rolled out the red carpet for Russian President Vladimir Putin, who was in Egypt Monday seeking to expand the Kremlin’s influence in the Middle East by cultivating a critical Arab nation that’s gotten the cold shoulder from the Obama administration.
Egyptian President Abdel Fatah Al-Sisi, the former military leader who ousted the White House’s favored incumbent Mohammed Morsi, has recently called on Muslim moderates to reclaim the faith from radical Islamists. But his call for an end to extremism has not helped cultivate a relationship with Washington, and that may have created a void Russian President Vladimir Putin is willing to fill.
“I am convinced that a multi-faceted dialogue between Russia and Egypt will continue to deepen and expand for the benefit of the peoples of our countries, for the sake of peace and stability in the Middle East and North Africa,” Putin told Egypt’s Al Ahram newspaper in an interview this weekend at the Kremlin ahead of his first visit to Egypt in a decade.
No conqueror wants a war; he wants to occupy territory uncontested.
I believe in self defense, for them and us
The Western financial elites had their plan on absorbing all the former soviet satellite nations into the EU from 1991.
They’ve been investing there (including Ukraine) since then; many American and other Western businesses have flooded into Ukraine and all the other “formers” from 1991 until now.
The past ten years or so, Western business has moved into Ukraine bigtime. IBM, Caterpillar, AIG (crop insurance), Coca-Cola, etc., (and many others) are all going hell bent for leather in Ukraine.
Now, the big final move - Western central banking wants Ukraine to join in with them.
Notice Ukraines’ central bank is currently not a member of the Bank of International Settlements (BIS), the elites’ national debt collector and money launderer.
That is a key part of why AIG is there setting up the crop insurance industry. Crop insurance is key to floating farm debt, so if crops fail, the crop insurance can pay off the debt.
Throughout WWII, an American was President of BIS - as BIS was enabling NAZI gold transfers.
As an American with both sides of family going back in America well before the American Revolution, it disgusts me to now finally understand that my ancestors who fought in all our wars were, in essence, fighting on behalf of a few sicko bankers in London.
Great post, we need more real info to get out on the evils of international banking.
World Bank, IMF, BIS - all EVIL. World Bank and IMF are based right in Washington, DC.
“The Western financial elites had their plan on absorbing all the former soviet satellite nations into the EU from 1991.”
There was no EU in 1991.
“many American and other Western businesses have flooded into Ukraine and all the other “formers” from 1991 until now.”
Shock and horror.
“Great post, we need more real info to get out on the evils of international banking.”
Yeah, one more sleeper activated, well done.
Ukraine and Russia are two separate countries, each with a sovereign right to join whatever legitimate international organizations they like.
If one country is displeased with the decisions of another they can make that known through diplomatic channels.
To invade a country for territorial gain is barbaric and so is supporting that.
Would you like to point out which NATO countries had these shitsoldiers on welfare refusing hard missions in Afghanistan? Maybe restrict it to those new members as this is what your rant is about.
Estonian soldiers were doing foot patrols in Helmand and taking many casualties. You seem to take the justified criticism of Germans busy guarding their bases in safe north and laying it on vulnerable countries recently freed from Russian occupation just because you don’t like something.
To avoid repeating myself, my own vanity:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3170217/posts
But invading a country economically, legally, politically is progressive thinking and a classy move.
Russia has no choice but defend herself... through a series of defensive, humanitarian invasions... NWO will be defeated...
You make no sense.
Try again.
Russia sees the world through a lens of power. The people of the United States tend to see the world through a lens of freedom. Georgia had a reason to want to ally itself to Europe, Nato, and the United States, the history of oppression by Russia. Most Americans believe that they should be free to do so. The same for Ukraine. Should Russia have a veto power over it's former vassal states? Why, Nato is not an invasion threat to Russia. The last six years have been a tragedy for the United States leadership of the free world. Russia sees our weakness and intends to capitalize on it. I see it argued that we should bend our principles and let Russia have it's way with it's neighbors, after all we don't want to incite a war. Isn't that exactly what happened with Czechoslovakia when Britain and France sacrificed it to Nazi Germany in 1938? Where do we draw the line? We have to suffer through the rest of this foolish administration, but the American people have already seen what a mistake it was to trust Obama. We can only get our house back in order by championing our principles, that people should be free to choose their own way.
So why not give eastern Ukraine autonomy? This is what they want.
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