Think Hillary Clinton is likely to win? Think again.

National Journal's Predictive Intelligence ^ | February 14, 2015 | Alex Roarty

[Rides_A_Red_Horse]

“I’ll never vote for Jeb Bush. “

That makes two of us, douche bag!

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Here we go again! I posted at #9 that I would never vote for Bush. You responded with -

"The white male vote that stayed home in ‘12 because polling had Romney winning.... probably aren’t going to be taking that risk in ‘16. We need to appeal to them.. ‘We need YOU to cancel out your wife’s vote!’"

So would you vote for the GOPe RINO or not? If we're stuck with Bush and us "white males" stay home won't "the communists win?" Aren't these YOUR arguments?

Should we start calling you "Sybil?"

[Lurkinanloomin]

We couldn’t beat a lousy Democrat in VA because the GOP put up a lousy candidate. They had to have a Bush rerun cheap labor importer who ran a terrible campaign. I tried to get them to hang Warner’s amnesty vote around his neck, but they would not go there because they want the same thing.

[Rides_A_Red_Horse]

When not promoting RINOs the establishment often attacks any viable Conservative candidate (see McDaniel - Mississippi).

[Lurkinanloomin]

Yep, The VA GOP undercut Cuccinelli so we ended up with the Clinton’s bag man as our governor.

[Tenacious 1]

How can you even think something like that after the historic Republican landslide of 2014? Are you really so beat down that you can't even compute with reality any longer?

My apologies. My comment was a bit sloppy. I have my doubts about a PRESIDENTIAL election. I am not convinced a Republican can win a General Presidential Election. Between the Fraud, Illegals voting and the lunatic lemming left voters that seem to turn out, I think it's become a numbers game. This is what the left has been trying to get to for years. Enslave enough people and they will not vote against their masters.

[Tenacious 1]

Much of my “income” comes from my V.A. disability, yet I’m not voting for Hillary.

I am not strictly talking about the those who collect benefits. And I am certainly not generalizing when it comes to individuals. But I am generalizing when it comes to shear numbers of voters. When you add up all those who do collect benefits (including Vets) of any kind as well as government employees and contract employees that work for the government, it will be hard to get them to vote for issues that include reducing government spending.

All in, more than 50% of humans living in the US NEED the government. Couple that with the liberal elite that WANT the bigger government, and we are really outnumbered.

[Windflier]

I have my doubts about a PRESIDENTIAL election. I am not convinced a Republican can win a General Presidential Election. Between the Fraud, Illegals voting and the lunatic lemming left voters that seem to turn out, I think it's become a numbers game.

I hear you, but the historic pattern of the 'eight year swing' is on the Republicans' side in 2016.

There's going to be a monumental level of fatigue with the current style of governance by the time of the election. Even lots of Democrats will be weary of Obama and his leftist tyranny by then. That'll tend to dampen Democrat enthusiasm for getting out the vote. Especially if the Dems run another committed Marxist with a thin resume'.

Note the historic electoral tsunami of 2014. If the American people could have voted for a Republican President last year, they would have handily elected one.

And if the Dems insist upon making Grandma Clinton their standard bearer, almost any Republican she faces will soundly trounce her.

[Tenacious 1]

And if the Dems insist upon making Grandma Clinton their standard bearer, almost any Republican she faces will soundly trounce her.

I hear what you are saying. That was some of the sentiment going into 2012. Maybe it wasn't as strong as it is today. But somehow, dems turned out the vote AND Republicans didn't turn out bacause of the candidate (Romney). We have a great opportunity to have the same showing in 2016. If Jeb Bush ends up on the ticket, THIS voter won't be voting. I held my nose and voted for McCain and again for Romney. Couple that with the complete lack of platform, passion, evidence, etc. in the GOP camp? If I don't get to vote for Walker, Cruz or somebody that at least has some ligit conservative creds, I will abstain from voting for President. I doubt I am alone.

Now, about underestimating the democrat voter turnout. We do this routinely for Presidential General elections. Look at the elections even where Republicans won. Wins were by screaming tight margins. While Obama won comfortably in 2012, even though the House and Senate went toward Republicans. Explain that away and I'd feel more comfortable about your optimism.

[Windflier]

If Jeb Bush ends up on the ticket, THIS voter won't be voting. I held my nose and voted for McCain and again for Romney. Couple that with the complete lack of platform, passion, evidence, etc. in the GOP camp?

If I don't get to vote for Walker, Cruz or somebody that at least has some ligit conservative creds, I will abstain from voting for President. I doubt I am alone.

You speak for me, friend. I also will not vote for Jeb Bush or another RINO under any circumstances.

You're not alone in being disillusioned and demoralized by the lack of real leadership and demonstrated conviction on our side. Most of us see it, and it's why so many good conservatives stayed home in 2012.

What exactly is the point of voting, when those we send to Washington refuse to represent those who sent them there, and instead, serve other masters?

As I've said here many times, the civil systems put in place by the Framers, are FUBAR. If we want to restore our constitutional republic, we're going to have to earn it the way the Founding Generation did.

I'm afraid it really is down to that.