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Orly Taitz files third lawsuit in federal court [Brownsville, TX]
Valley Morning Star ^ | March 25, 2015 | EMMA PEREZ-TREVIÑO

Posted on 03/26/2015 3:24:52 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen

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To: SvenMagnussen; rolling_stone

“The District ruled she was a natural born citizen of the United States and the Circuit Court affirmed the ruling. SCOTUS affirmed, but modified the ruling to opine Marie Elg was a natural born citizen in the United States.”

Have you even read the SCOTUS opinion in Perkins v Elg?

Marie Elg sued the Secretary of Labor, the Acting Commissioner of the Immigration and Naturalization and the Secretary of State. The District Court issued a decree releasing the Secretary of State from the case.

“The District Court overruled the motion as to the Secretary of Labor and the Commissioner of Immigration and entered a decree declaring that the plaintiff is a native citizen of the United States but directing that the complaint be dismissed as to the Secretary of State because of his official discretion in the issue of passports. On cross-appeals, the Court of Appeals affirmed the decree, 69 App.D.C. 175, 99 F.2d 408. Certiorari was granted, December 5, 1938, 305 U.S. 591.”

The Supreme Court affirmed the decree but modified it by adding back the Secretary of State to the compliant.

“The decree will be modified accordingly so as to strike out that portion which dismisses the bill of complaint as to the Secretary of State, and so as to include him in the declaratory provision of the decree, and as so modified the decree is affirmed.”

It’s better when you make stuff up to limit it to things that cannot be easily verified. Stuff like imaginary CLNs. Just a suggestion.


61 posted on 04/04/2015 8:21:29 AM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: 4Zoltan
Perkins v. Elg, 307 US 325 - Supreme Court 1939: "We conclude that respondent has not lost her citizenship in the United States and is entitled to all the rights and privileges of that citizenship.

Fifth. The cross petition of Miss Elg, upon which certiorari was granted in No. 455, is addressed to the part of the decree below which dismissed the bill of complaint as against the Secretary of State. The dismissal was upon the ground that the court would not undertake by mandamus to compel the issuance of a passport or control by means of a declaratory judgment the discretion of the Secretary of State. But the Secretary of State, according to the allegation of the bill of complaint, had refused to issue a passport to Miss Elg "solely on the ground that she had lost her native born American citizenship." The court below, properly recognizing the existence of an actual controversy with the defendants 350*350 (Aetna Life Ins. Co. v. Haworth, 300 U.S. 227), declared Miss Elg "to be a natural born citizen of the United States," and we think that the decree should include the Secretary of State as well as the other defendants. The decree in that sense would in no way interfere with the exercise of the Secretary's discretion with respect to the issue of a passport but would simply preclude the denial of a passport on the sole ground that Miss Elg had lost her American citizenship.

The decree will be modified accordingly so as to strike out that portion which dismisses the bill of complaint as to the Secretary of State, and so as to include him in the declaratory provision of the decree, and as so modified the decree is affirmed."

This is a very important case to the career professionals to the State Department and completely misunderstood by the career opportunists in the DoJ. SCOTUS ruled Ms. Elg was a natural born citizen in the United States and not of the United States.

Natural born citizenship status has little to do with place of birth and everything to do with allegiance and obligations to the foreign state.


62 posted on 04/04/2015 12:21:28 PM PDT by SvenMagnussen (1983 ... the year Obama became a naturalized U.S. citizen.)
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To: rolling_stone

The part you highlighted applies to minors who lost the US citizenship through naturalization in a foreign state because their parents naturalized in a foreign state. If so they have an opportunity to recapture their US citizenship until age twenty-five.

Obama’s mother, as far as we know, did not naturalize as an Indonesian national. Soetoro adopted Obama in Hawaii. Obama’s name was changed in Hawaii to Barry Soetoro. The Soetoro adoption was finalized in 1967 in Hawaii. Soetoro and Stanley Ann renounced Barry Soetoro’s (formerly Barack Hussein Obama, II) US citizenship. Since Barry Soetoro did lose his US citizenship based upon the naturalization of a parent, SoS Dean Rusk issued Barry Soetoro (formerly Barack Hussein Obama, II) a CLN in 1968 upon an application filed in his behalf by a parent, guardian, or duly authorized agent.

Get over yourself. Obama naturalized as a US citizen in 1983. It’s a fact.


63 posted on 04/04/2015 12:55:59 PM PDT by SvenMagnussen (1983 ... the year Obama became a naturalized U.S. citizen.)
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To: SvenMagnussen
you might want to go back and reread what you posted. "Barry Soetoreo did lose his US citizenship based upon the naturalization of a parent."

considering the law, how did that happen at age 7? since you say his mother did not naturalize, how did he lose his citizenship because of naturalization of a parent?

He might have naturalized in 1983 but there is no evidence and its not possible he lost his citizenship from naturalization of parents. It very likely could have been lost from fraud or he might never have been one. Suppose mama admitted his birth was in Kenya when she wanted him in Indonesia, got his citizenship revoked or it was discovered by INS when checking on Obama Senior and she then applied for immigrant status for him ? that seems more logical to me.

64 posted on 04/04/2015 4:17:36 PM PDT by rolling_stone (1984)
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To: LucyT; 4Zoltan; SvenMagnussen; null and void; Velveeta; Rushmore Rocks; Oorang; Myrddin; ...
There are several canards popping up their heads in this thread.

(1) Ye Olde Indonesian Citizenship Red Herring:
Yeah, Lolo might have conferred Indonesian Citizenship on little Barry, but that would have no effect on his American Citizenship, if as an adult, Barry decided he wanted to be an American after all.

(2) This thing about Barry and The Terminator taking the Oath of Citizenship on the same day is certainly interesting bar talk. This just come up?

(3) Barry, having been sworn in by the CJ of the SCOTUS (2X), it would be most unrealistic to assume that the SCOTUS would turn around and have any desire to grant an appeal on the many cases involving "Natural Born Citizenship" etc. In effect, Barry's terms as POTUS have been confirmed in their legitimacy by the Courts, the Congress, the AsG of 50 States, and a majority of the voting public.

(4)With Rubio, Cruz, and Jindal stepping into the Presidential Arena, bold as brass, one can only conclude that the fuzzy notion of "Natural Born Citizenship," not to mention the legal basis (if any) of Birthright Citizenship of the children of illegal aliens, legal alien visitors, etc, have all been knocked into a nicely cocked hat. As of now, there really is no definition of "American Citizenship." The BC issued last night to innumerable children born in LA to illegal alien parents, is just as good as mine, yours, or Barack H. Obama's. Apparently, now we are all "Natural Born Citizens."

(5) As of right now, one is a "Natural Born Citizen" if:
(a) one is born here under any circumstances, or
(b) born anywhere in the world, but having one (1)parent who is an American Citizen.

As of right now, we live in a country without functional borders and mighty sketchy regulations (not laws) about "citizenship."

(6) About this SS#: I hope Dr. Taitz gets somewhere with this particular case. Her legal track record is a shambles, her pleadings most inept. In fact, I have the feeling that all of this stuff is kept alive for our benefit by highly organized Democrat Troll Operations, with the goal of distracting us from the main event, which is the destruction by degree of the Republic.

May I once again beg your kind indulgence to point out that we already know that the present recumbent in the WH is a no-good queer commie who only does what he is told? What we don't know is what the hell is next. How, and with whom, and by what authority is the dirty stinking mess left behind by this administration going to be cleaned up? Where's the Program. Where's the Plan? Who's going to Lead?

65 posted on 04/05/2015 4:20:15 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( Obama told us what he'd do, and did it. How about your Republican Representative?)
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To: SvenMagnussen; rolling_stone

Under your scenario Obama could not become an Indonesian citizen. He would have needed to be adopted before the age of five. That is the only way he could gain Indonesian citizenship before the age of eighteen.


66 posted on 04/05/2015 4:58:36 PM PDT by 4Zoltan
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To: SvenMagnussen; 4Zoltan

http://www.refworld.org/docid/3ae6b4ec8.html

indonesian nationality law 1958


67 posted on 04/05/2015 5:51:43 PM PDT by rolling_stone (1984)
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