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RUSSIA: Truth and Lies in the tragedy of the "Kursk"
http://a.kras.cc/2014/02/blog-post_3585.html?m=1 ^ | February 26, 2014 | Arkady Dyers

Posted on 03/31/2015 7:19:50 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com

GOOGLE TRANSLATION:

Truth about the death of "Kursk" that died in the Barents Sea underwater atomic submarine "Kursk".

The latest and absolutely, in the opinion of experts, reliable. Killed 118 people. The tragedy of the submarine became the subject of many books, plays, movies and ... legends. According to the official version, there was a force majure, starring an irresistible force and, therefore, no one is to blame. It was the first major accident after the country was headed by Vladimir Putin.

This is how journalist Sergei Dorenko describes the reaction head of state after the tragedy:

- He called the first channel and said first channel hired whores who spoke to discredit him. And I'm including it then argued that it was not the whores that they were widows of officers. It really widows of officers, I saw them myself later in Vidjaevo, and they continued to say "uncomfortable" things, but he immediately stopped ringing phone and said, "You hire whores specifically. Give them $ 10, specifically to discredit me. "

We asked what he thinks about the explosion at the "Kursk" submarine former captain of the first rank, retired, former commander of the submarine K-147, representative of the Society of the Third Division, veterans of nuclear submarines of the Northern Fleet Alexander Leskov.

He was one of the first to walk on Soviet nuclear submarines. And in 1967 as an assistant to the commander of the first nuclear submarine K-3 suffered a terrible fire on the submarine. The accident occurred under water on September 8 in the Norwegian Sea. The commander was seriously wounded, and Khinchin then had to take command sebya.V further Leskov more than once had to participate in emergency response to nuclear-powered ships.

"SP": - Alexander Yakovlevich, why the official version of the death of "Kursk", voiced by the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation does not seem convincing to you?

- The fact that the then Attorney General of Russia, presenting the official version of the death of "Kursk", did not answer a number of questions that immediately arose from the experts and, in particular, the commanders of nuclear submarines.

"SP": - Such as?

- The official version says that the "Kursk" in the explosion was under water. It could not be, because when the length of the submarine in the 153 meters, it can not dive where the water depth is less than 115 meters - namely, that was the depth of a flood of "Kursk", which, incidentally, is a polygon surface ships, and not submarines. This depth for a huge boat - like a puddle for pike. To dive, the submarine must be under the keel - at least three of its length, that is, in this case - not less than half a kilometer. And it knows of any submarine commander. At depths of 100 meters, no one would be allowed to dive.

Secondly, the official version is that the boat crashed into the bottom, and there was a second explosion. It also did not like the truth - from hitting the bottom of the submarine never in the history of the submarine fleet torpedo did not explode.

Another proof that the submarine was in the explosion on the surface - it photographs taken when she was already lying on the bottom. The boat was raised drawer.

"SP": - What does this mean?

- All the masts of the boats are raised only when surfaced.

"SP": - Well, let the explosion of "Kursk" was on the surface. What difference does it make in this case?

- Firstly, one small lie generates a lot of mistrust. Secondly, the explosion under water appears as the main version. But underwater explosion was not. If it occurred under water, would have been completely different picture of damage: the case would be smashed from the inside, in fact the whole lining was folded inside. But I repeat, the torpedo itself can not explode. In addition, the torpedo did not detonate because each worth four levels of protection. If the torpedo tore itself is, excuse me, as a mosquito bite in the ass elephant - is nonsense for a submarine. From one torpedo could not explode and all the rest. Even fire torpedoes together can not explode. I and my eyes saw the photos, the boat lies on its side, and torpedoes lying on the bottom near it. And more. If, as a consequence says, once exploded all torpedo room, the water would immediately rushed into the housing, and the fire would not have arisen. But divers found the bodies - deep-fried.

There is still a lot of contradictions ... In general buoyancy submarine is very large and is designed so that the boat remains afloat with two or even three compartments flooded. And there is no such accidents in which at once destroyed almost the entire boat, including the command post.

"SP": - And what happens?

- This is what happens when a very powerful external influences. In other words, if you get into a boat launch. I think the "Kursk" was destroyed missiles as he moved along the surface of the sea in the exercise area. Our missiles.

"SP": - Rockets?

- Yes, the rocket. I think that was one of the other two deaths hit. But, as we see, even in this hit the rear compartment remained intact, and people - are alive. And that is another story. First reported that they had heard knocking from inside the submarine - this is true, the sailors were in the compartments. Motsak then said, we have established a relationship with them, is tapping. And then retracted his words. And this is shameful. But they really do is tapping. But the day passed, and all died. I'm sure if these guys have saved, they would have told how they ugrohali by their own rockets.

"SP": - They could have saved?

- Officially claimed that underwater bell housing on the wreck can not install. O Lord! Yes, our divers in five minutes the bell set is a piece of cake. Then he began to say that the country's deep-sea vehicles was not ... Nothing like this, everything is there, and there were all our submariners and photographed with submersibles. One of them suddenly became afterwards Hero of Russia.

"SP": - How long submarine waiting for help?

- I think two days to live. More hardly stretched. And divers could try to rescue them if received orders. But, alas, did not get. Otherwise be witnesses of what really happened, and the secret would be revealed. Remain more questions. For example, why it was almost a year to the point where sank "Kursk", keep the surface ship, depth charges which did not admit anyone to the boat? Why was it necessary to spend huge sums to cut off the first compartment? In general, the first compartment - the most important witness. He could tell the whole story about what happened, but it is not only cut off at depth, it is still there blew up, destroying all in the dust, which could shed light on the causes of the accident. But cutting off operation worth as much as the submarine itself. Billions have been spent. I know that were raised two notes, one of whom wrote Captain Kolesnikov. But their content, we have not learned.

"SP": - We talked more about the collision with an American submarine?

- The truth is hiding a very clumsy. And tossed absurd version. One of them - a collision with a US submarine. Yes, we have encountered many times under water - and the ascent, and noses - so what? Dents received, nothing special. One boat while sailing double-faced with the Americans, then laughed all over her. Never encounter under water will not bring such a fatal destruction, which were the "Kursk". I think it was necessary to immediately admit that we are drowned with his own hands "Kursk". But the main function of Staff of the Navy - to hide the truth. They hide behind the bogey of secrecy in all accidents that were in the Navy - None of them did not tell the truth.

"SP": - Do you think that the missile that hit the "Kursk" could be put into the framework of the exercise?

- I think so. This coastal missile, probably a class "surface-to-earth." It could start up from anywhere: from the suburbs, from Plesetsk ...

Today we publish a chapter from the book of Leskov's "Truth and Lies about the tragedy of Kursk", which sheds light on the events of a decade ago.

August 12, 2000 Time "H" - 11:00. 28 min. Regular polygon of the Barents Sea.

Nuclear submarine "Kursk" (class "Antey", etc. 949) in the position drifts down from the weak wind gusts of northern summer. On board 22 supersonic missiles "Granit", 16 combat plus two "practical" (educational) torpedoes, one hundred and seventeen officers, enlisted, sailors and one civilian seconded. Icebreaker is the protagonist of the play called "command and staff exercises of the Northern Fleet."

Willingness № 2. Hoisted masts device. Work on the ventilation system ventilation compartments fresh air. Otdrait bulkhead between the first and second compartments.

The first blow winged assassin falls in the bow compartment (missile spontaneously brought on massive protruding above the water cutting) .Moschny explosion instantly incapacitate the entire command structure, but a giant submarine, designed by tridtsatiprotsentny buoyancy continues to stay on the surface despite the entry of seawater.

Inflict a mortal blow to the second guest, whose seeker also worked on an unscheduled goal ...

The guys with the "Kursk" died a horrible, but a happy death. Their exploits learned not only the whole country, but the whole world (and many before it was killed submariners, whose names were allowed to mention only a whisper); their bodies were interred with military honors and buried at the request of relatives (not in sealed zinc coffins piled in a mass grave in the far northern hills, without a farewell glance wives, mothers and fathers); their families were unthinkable in the past few years, along with monetary compensation apartments for families in any city in Russia (instead of pathetic lump sum outstanding in the past years for the existence of families in the first three months after the death of the breadwinner). Thank you for that, Motherland! Thank you, President!

But why do so many lies?

Well would lie only spokesman Navy Commander, Captain of the second rank, whose father - a worthy admiral - he built in his time at the office and that Freestuff submarines seen only from behind the commander of the shore pier. Well would lie to the chairman of the State Commission, which carried the whole world nonsense about "feeding on the sunken submarine fuel (!) And hot coffee (!). How can I apply to uranium nuclear reactors ?? - Americans are believed to have been shocked by the new technologies Russian!

But when they began to lie and cheat honest people acting naval admirals and civilian military experts high-level ...

A year later, the Attorney General of All Russia, picturesquely put up for background cut corpse nuclear submarine as an experienced forensic dissector, condescendingly told of dubious causes of death of submariners. Then I stopped being surprised. And maybe even have believed the attorney general. If it had not been a submariner. If he did not die inside the pressure hull ...

Lies №1

Putin: (here and below all the statements of the president taken from the transcript of the meeting with the relatives of those killed in the club n. Vidjaevo published in "Kommersant-Vlast» № 34 dated August 29, 2000) "I'll tell you ... they also lost contact with the boat in the 23 the twelfth hour. Began to look for. Found in 4.30 thirteenth ... ".

Obscheflotskie command post exercise conducted in accordance with the plan, signed by the commander of the CSF and approved by Navy Commander. Make up its smart guys-staff officers who work on it at least two or three months. In terms under the age of "H" is strictly regulated procedure and all the actions of each participant obscheflotskogo performance. For the slightest deviation or failure of any item should be severely punished, up to removal from office. This is only a stupid Soviet films are any "northern" and "southern" during military exercises show spontaneous improvisation and, with the help of the massacre and dashing races brave paratroopers defeat the imaginary foe.

If the plan exercises submarine "Kursk" at noon should go to the training torpedo attack, then in twelve five zero in the absence of communication with the Premier League team of scientists had to declare an alarm. That probably was done. Search wreck seventeen hours also did not have to - the "B" defines its location. And moreover, two explosions recorded not only acoustical seven surface ships, but also Norwegian tracking stations located at a hundred and fifty miles from the scene of the tragedy.

What made these terrible command in seventeen hours, when it was still possible to save some people from the rear compartment? Of course, did not sit idly by (hence these incompetent posts about knocks, Fuel and coffee). Of course, trying to save. But there was no one to save. By this time, the best rescue forces of the Northern Fleet were either employed in filming, or sold the company "Nosta Metallhandels Gmbh" the price ... $ 1. Such a fate befell ships "Octopus", "Photius Krylov", "Mikhail Marchenko," "Valentine Shishkin," "Viktor Muratov" and "Nicholas Cicero." Chief adviser in the above company worked a former prosecutor of the Northern Fleet citizen Katusev organized in the eighties the second wave of persecution (the first came in time of a "witch hunt" - seventieth - seventy-second year) the best naval officers, under the pretext of "ideological cleansing staff" . August 23, 2000 Katusev shot. It is unlikely that by remorse before widows "Kursk". Most likely, the "rollback" in his pocket for the sale of ships not by rank. As CEO of his company Grinin citizen, who at the second attempt soaked June 8, 2000.

Lies №2

On that fateful day icebreaker was in the normal range for combat training surface ships. Depth under the keel just over a hundred meters. No self-respecting submarine commander would not dive in this place, even at a depth of 40-60 meters; with the length of the submarine in the 154 meters - is idiotic. Any unauthorized trim by the bow or the stern, even at minimum speeds of travel, will lead to hitting bottom. And the more exclude swimming in the area of ​​American submarine - something their commanders and navigators idiots is not exactly call. Thus, thoughtful chatter on television version of the collision with the Americans - nonsense! Both fleets - the Northern and Pacific - in the history of the nuclear submarine fleet was more than a dozen collisions with submarines "potential enemy" (pursuit each other - the main part of our strategy and the US Navy), and they all ended dents, destruction of or damage to the fence cutting lasting housing.

And it is quite implausible looks version of the attack "Kursk" torpedo from a US submarine. No need to start a cancer of the stone, gentlemen, and distract attention from the fact of the tragedy.

Putin: "Television? So lying. So lying. So lying. There is a television people who today lie more and all that within a decade destroying the very army and navy, in which people are dying today. Here today are at the forefront of the defense of the army, too, in order to discredit and the final collapse of the army and navy. Within a few years they stole money and now are buying ... Money stolen, bought the media and manipulate public opinion. That's all. Difficult question, unfortunately, with the media. I agree with you that at least some of morality there must be respected. "

Golden words, Mr. President! That is, the Prime Minister. If they are backed up by concrete actions - the prices they would not ...

On the first day in a statement the death of "Kursk" (on the third day after the actual death), a senior naval officials accidentally misspoke, that "... the boat is lying on the ground with their drawer ..." This is indirectly confirmed to me at a press conference in the wording "Komsomolskaya Pravda" and the first commander of the "Kursk", which showed pictures of dead special department boats to consult on the status of missile silos "Granite". Drawer unit on submarines raised only when the submarine surfaced or positional position. Later, with the rise of the boat, they were safely cut off along with the main witness of the tragedy - the first compartment.

Lies №3

Showing all utter stupidity of the high command of the armed forces of Russia. The channel ORT August 22 only Russian marshal in the post of Minister of Defense citizen Sergeyev said publicly that next to the "Kursk" someone hydroacoustic stations found "an unidentified underwater object." But he invented the term "NGO" the people did not catch on.

Doubtful version number 4 - the basic version of the death of "Kursk", which told his people personally Attorney General. When you try shooting torpedoes emergency occurred spontaneous explosion in the torpedo tube and, allegedly, two (!) Part of the explosion ripped the front and back cover of the torpedo tubes. In the compartment fire started and immediately (gross!) Detonated torpedo submarine U-turn quarter.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: barentssea; kursk; russia; ukietroll

1 posted on 03/31/2015 7:19:50 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Friendly fire? Interesting.


2 posted on 03/31/2015 7:31:30 AM PDT by null and void (He who kills a tyrant (i.e. an usurper) to free his country is praised and rewarded ~ Thomas Aquinas)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

bttt


3 posted on 03/31/2015 8:23:59 AM PDT by Baynative (You can judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him.)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

I lived next to an armament specialist who worked for the Defense Dept. Some years ago he told me a story of the Kursk and said that we had subs and ships monitoring it’s mission that could have rescued the trapped seamen, but the Russians would not allow it because of sensitive high tech torpedoes that were to be fired during the exercise and the fact that there were high ranking Chinese Navy officers aboard.


4 posted on 03/31/2015 12:55:14 PM PDT by Baynative (You can judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him.)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Loses something...coherence, I say... in the translation.


5 posted on 03/31/2015 4:57:00 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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