Posted on 06/16/2015 4:24:00 AM PDT by HomerBohn
Nonsense.
burned at the stake for the crime of translating Scripture into English
Correction: "burned at the stake for the crime of inaccurately and unofficially translating Scripture into English" The Douay-Rheims Bible was the first Catholic Bible officially translated into English.
The Catholic support of top-down authority is long and more in line with socialist/Marxist thinking, than is Protestantism.
Given that the Catholic Church teaches against Marxism and Socialism, your statement is off the mark. The top down authority is in matters of faith and morals, not in politics.
I would hope that ALL of them would be!
It's just the 'activity direction' that is suspect!
They cannot do the latter without risking being accused of being Protestants, as they determine the veracity of modern teaching and statement by the pope by examination of the evidence, versus:
It follows that the Church is essentially an unequal society, that is, a society comprising two categories of per sons, the Pastors and the flock...the one duty of the multitude is to allow themselves to be led, and, like a docile flock, to follow the Pastors. - VEHEMENTER NOS, an Encyclical of Pope Pius X promulgated on February 11, 1906.
For while the use of reason in seeking to ascertain the veracity the veracity of RC teaching by examination of evidences is allowed for potential converts (though they cannot even know what Scripture consists of without faith and reliance upon Rome, and in seeking to persuade faith in Rome then Scripture is appealed to as merely historically reliable document), yet a faithful RC is not to do so, as that would mean doubting the claims of Rome to be the assuredly infallible magisterium by which a RC obtains assurance of Truth
Cardinal Avery Dulles: People cannot discover the contents of revelation by their unaided powers of reason and observation. They have to be told by people who have received in from on high. - Cardinal Avery Dulles, SJ, “Magisterium: Teacher and Guardian of the Faith,” p. 72;
It is the living Church and not Scripture that St. Paul indicates as the pillar and the unshakable ground of truth....no matter what be done the believer cannot believe in the Bible nor find in it the object of his faith until he has previously made an act of faith in the intermediary authorities..." - Catholic Encyclopedia>Tradition and Living Magisterium; http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15006b.htm
...when we appeal to the Scriptures for proof of the Church's infallible authority we appeal to them merely as reliable historical sources... - Catholic Encyclopedia>Infallibility; http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07790a.htm
—in all cases there is a margin left for the exercise of faith in the word of the Church. He who believes the dogmas of the Church only because he has reasoned them out of History, is scarcely a Catholic......in all cases the immediate motive in the mind of a Catholic for his reception of them is, not that they are proved to him by Reason or by History, but because Revelation has declared them by means of that high ecclesiastical Magisterium which is their legitimate exponent.” — John Henry Newman, “A Letter Addressed to the Duke of Norfolk on Occasion of Mr. Gladstone's Recent Expostulation.” 8. The Vatican Council lhttp://www.newmanreader.org/works/anglicans/volume2/gladstone/section8.html
Thus even conservative SSPX and SSPX type RCs are likened to Protestants because they engage in interpretation of evidences to ascertain the veracity of V2 and modern teaching, as their are obvious contrasts , even as regards EENS .
Which allowance of reason and type of confusion Pius X warned against (according to a SSPV source, arguing against "resist but recognize" the pontiff):
To the shepherds alone was given all power to teach, to judge, to direct; on the faithful was imposed the duty of following their teaching, of submitting with docility to their judgment, and of allowing themselves to be governed, corrected, and guided by them in the way of salvation.
if it should happen that those who have no right to do so should attribute authority to themselves, if they presume to become judges and teachers, if inferiors in the government of the universal Church attempt or try to exert an influence different from that of the supreme authority, there follows a reversal of the true order, many minds are thrown into confusion, and souls leave the right path...
Similarly, it is to give proof of a submission which is far from sincere to set up some kind of opposition between one Pontiff and another. Those who, faced with two differing directives, reject the present one to hold to the past, are not giving proof of obedience to the authority which has the right and duty to guide them; and in some ways they resemble those who, on receiving a condemnation, would wish to appeal to a future council, or to a Pope who is better informed.....
But obedience must not limit itself to matters which touch the faith: its sphere is much more vast: it extends to all matters which the episcopal power embraces ...
when we love the Pope, there are no discussions regarding what he orders or demands, or up to what point obedience must go, and in what things he is to be obeyed ; when we love the Pope, we do not say that he has not spoken clearly enough, almost as if he were forced to repeat to the ear of each one the will clearly expressed so many times not only in person, but with letters and other public documents ; we do not place his orders in doubt, adding the facile pretext of those unwilling to obey – that it is not the Pope who commands, but those who surround him; we do not limit the field in which he might and must exercise his authority ; we do not set above the authority of the Pope that of other persons, however learned, who dissent from the Pope, who, even though learned, are not holy, because whoever is holy cannot dissent from the Pope. (Pope Saint Pius X, Allocution Vi ringrazio to priests on the 50th anniversary of the Apostolic Union, November 18, 1912, as found at: (“Love the Pope! ” – no ifs, and no buts: For Bishops, priests, and faithful, Saint Pius X explains what loving the Pope really entails.)- http://christorchaos.com/?q=content/choosing-ignore-pope-leo-xiii-and-pope-saint-pius-x (Pope Saint Pius X, Allocution Vi ringrazio to priests on the 50th anniversary of the Apostolic Union, November 18, 1912, as found at: (“Love the Pope! ” – no ifs, and no buts: For Bishops, priests, and faithful, Saint Pius X explains what loving the Pope really entails.)- http://christorchaos.com/?q=content/choosing-ignore-pope-leo-xiii-and-pope-saint-pius-x
I wonder if the Catholic Church is “transitioning” into the Catholic Greenhouse?
I wonder if the Catholic Church is “transitioning” into the Catholic Greenhouse?
The Holy Spirit is screaming save your soul and come out of her before it’s too late!
Behold, I will throw her on a bed of sickness
Then they'll both fall into a ditch!
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