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Not over? Alabama Supreme Court should reject marriage decision, legal group says
Christian Examiner ^ | 7/10/15 | Michael Foust

Posted on 07/10/2015 1:45:01 AM PDT by markomalley

A prominent legal organization has filed a 36-page brief urging the Alabama Supreme Court to reject the U.S. Supreme Court's same-sex marriage decision, saying the ruling was an "assault" on the rule of law and natural law and that it defied the very words in the Declaration of Independence.

Further, the new brief says, there is major precedent in the nation's history for a state court to ignore a U.S. Supreme Court decision when it is "unlawful."

The brief was filed by Liberty Counsel, which is headed by an attorney – Mat Staver – who has argued cases before the U.S. Supreme Court.

"There is existing precedent for a state's highest court to reject an unlawful mandate from the U.S. Supreme Court," said Staver, founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel.

"The hope of our Constitutional Republic rests upon state officials and American citizens who will refuse to allow five, black-robed judges to rob us of our free, representative form of government. A judicial opinion without constitutional basis is not law and should not be followed by any state or citizen."

After the U.S. Supreme Court issued its ruling in Obergefell v. Hodges, the Alabama Supreme Court invited parties in a state-level same-sex marriage case "to submit any motions or briefs addressing the effect of the Supreme Court's decision in Obergefell on this Court's existing orders." Liberty Counsel's brief was in response to that invitation. Roy Moore serves as chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court.

"In determining the effect of the U.S. Supreme Court's Obergefell decision on this Court's prior orders, this Court should consider several important factors," the brief reads. "These include the decision's substantial assault on the Rule of Law, Democracy, and Natural Law, and its necessary diminishment of the constitutional right to Free Exercise of Religion. Furthermore, this Court should consider existing precedent for a state's highest court to reject an unlawful mandate from the U.S. Supreme Court."

The Liberty Counsel brief pointed to a pre-Civil War Wisconsin case in which that state's Supreme Court rejected the authority of federal fugitive slave slaves, which were intended to ensure the return of runaway slaves. The U.S. Supreme Court eventually ruled against Wisconsin, but the Wisconsin Supreme Court remained defiant and never recognized the decision. To this day, the case is celebrated on the Wisconsin state court system website.

The brief quotes former Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice Abram D. Smith, who argued state officials had "duty" to resist federal powers that were "not expressly granted or necessarily implied in the federal constitution."

State officials are bound not simply by the federal constitution but by their respective state constitution, Liberty Counsel said.

Smith "recognized that state judges are duty bound to resist unconstitutional federal usurpations of authority by their solemn oaths to their states," the brief said, implying that by not rejecting the same-sex marriage decision, state officials would be violating their oath.

"Justice Smith reasoned [that] resistance to overreaching federal power both flows from and is felicitous to a solemn oath to uphold the U.S. Constitution, not contrary to it," the brief read. "Even more, Justice Smith concluded, such resistance is a necessary preservative of state sovereignty."

Marriage cannot be redefined by the U.S. Supreme Court because the court did not define it in the first place, the Liberty Counsel brief said. Quoting the Declaration of Independence, the brief said the court's high court legal arguments "contravene 'the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God.'"

"This conjugal view of marriage (as a comprehensive and complementary union of a man and a woman that naturally creates families) was (and is), in fact, 'natural and just' for it mirrored (and continues to mirror to this day) the intrinsic nature of marriage regardless of the five lawyers' newly-laid foundation for this universal institution," the brief read.

The brief quoted heavily from the four dissenting justices in the same-sex marriage case, including from Chief Justice John Roberts.

"This Court is not a legislature," Roberts wrote. ". . . Under the Constitution, judges have power to say what the law is, not what it should be. ... The majority's decision is an act of will, not legal judgment. The right it announces has no basis in the Constitution or this Court's precedent. . . . Just who do we think we are?"

Read Liberty Counsel's entire brief here.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: alabama; gaykk; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; nullification
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1 posted on 07/10/2015 1:45:02 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

It takes a court filing to prove what we already know - that same sex marriage is an abomination to God’s Law and that as it having been declared the law of the land that it rejects religious liberties. How can two Supreme Court Judges be allowed to rule on a case when in fact they performed same sex marriages? These two judges Bader-Ginsburg and Kagen should have been recused from the case. IN ACTUALITY THEIR BIAS HAS MADE FORTH THAT THE RULING IS ILLEGAL AND HAS NO STANDING IN ANY JURISDICTION THROUGHOUT THE USA. The queers can go to h e double hockey sticks! If at anytime anyone approaches the church were i am the pastor I will throw the idiots out of the church building, and take off my left shoe and wipe the dust and dirt on it and tell them that the curses that they pronounced on to me go back to them magnified. I am just waiting to see if any queers go to a conservative church and demanded to be married, if the conservative church refuses to do so, the queers will take it to court immediately.


2 posted on 07/10/2015 2:40:26 AM PDT by hondact200
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To: markomalley

Chief Justice Moore of Alabama said the latest decision is as momentous as “Dread Scott” and I don’t think Roy Moore sees himself on the “Confederate” side of that decision.

But when Moore “clarified” a Federal District Judge’s ruling on gay marriage limiting it to one county pertaining to the case, Governor Robert Bentley (R) refused to back him up.

Bentley said he was worried about people in Alabama having “jobs”. Fear of corporate elite power on full display.


3 posted on 07/10/2015 2:45:38 AM PDT by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS, REMEMBER PASTOR NIEMOLLER)
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To: markomalley

Good. Time to stand up for the 10th amendment and the Constitution.

What really steams me, is that this Administration, and much of Washington DC is totally ignorant of the constitution, and totally lawless when it suits them.

They ignore the laws that the don’t like, refuse to enforce laws that they don’t want to enforce, and make up laws by executive order.

You have liberal areas through out the country ignoring Federal Laws and establishing sanctuary cities, and doing whatever they want to with respect to laws.

Yet somehow or other, states and cities are supposed to follow all the laws the libs want to a t. Why should anyone follow unconstitutional edicts from the Supremes, when legitimate laws are simply ignored?


4 posted on 07/10/2015 3:15:48 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Le//t Freedom Ring.)
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To: markomalley

If evangelicals pitched as big a fit as the BGI and the commies have pitched over the Confederate flag- comparing one offense to another, would it get somewhere? There are actual laws on the books about the flag, so I don’t know, but it’s worth the effort.
At some point, people have to get off the couch & computer, get in their faces, & say NO.


5 posted on 07/10/2015 3:38:47 AM PDT by KGeorge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground)
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To: greeneyes

states and cities ignore Federal law on immigration and drugs, so why should states which had marriage in their Constitutions abide by this ruling from an activist SCOTUS now?


6 posted on 07/10/2015 4:13:15 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: markomalley

“Should” and “Won’t” are two different things.


7 posted on 07/10/2015 5:12:41 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Its the Sixties all over again, but with crappy music...)
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To: markomalley

Excellent news, that Alabama is pushing back!

A lot of the points of the brief have been raised here at FR, especially the states’ rights to ignore an illegal ruling (which the SCOTUS ‘marriage’just decision was).


8 posted on 07/10/2015 5:48:57 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: markomalley

‘marriage’just decision was

Should be

’ marriage’decision was


9 posted on 07/10/2015 5:53:38 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: manc

Exactly!


10 posted on 07/10/2015 5:59:46 AM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: markomalley

God will have the final word on this issue. Hopefully many states will refuse to recognize the black robed thugs.


11 posted on 07/10/2015 6:39:27 AM PDT by stockpirate (A corrupt government is the real enemy of the people.)
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To: markomalley

This is what we should be doing. We should pick an organization like this and give to it or support it in any way we can.


12 posted on 07/10/2015 7:26:02 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: markomalley

If you think about it we are no different than the Nazi soldiers who say they were “Just Following Orders”. We have a supreme court that is on its way to becoming comparable to the evil of Hitler, and the states just follow their orders.


13 posted on 07/10/2015 7:45:49 AM PDT by Revel
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To: markomalley
The brief quotes former Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice Abram D. Smith, who argued state officials had "duty" to resist federal powers that were "not expressly granted or necessarily implied in the federal constitution."

EXACTLY!

14 posted on 07/10/2015 8:06:26 AM PDT by Bobby_Taxpayer
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To: markomalley

Our nation ruled by the unelected alright.


15 posted on 07/10/2015 8:18:06 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: Bobby_Taxpayer
The brief quotes former Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice Abram D. Smith, who argued state officials had "duty" to resist federal powers that were "not expressly granted or necessarily implied in the federal constitution."

EXACTLY!

I agree. I have read some discussions, it seems some people claim the SCOTUS stole the right to make their decisions in "Marbury vs. Madison", 1803, many years ago. I guess significance comes from that.

16 posted on 07/10/2015 8:21:41 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: manc
Lawless defiance of rules that liberals don't agree with is acceptable. Following of millennia of tradition that transcends any particular religion is not acceptable. As much as Christians feel attacked, SCOTUS’ decision (and the decisions of liberals across the country in and out of the courts), attacks essentially any religion.

In every essential way, SCOTUS’ decision has established a new religion in the United States, a state religion with the first ceremony being an ever evolving ritual they incorrectly call marriage. And there is every indication that this new state religion will be forced on students in schools, on churches of other religions, of members of other religions, in every aspect of our daily lives.

That, to me, was the worst part of the awful decision. It wasn't just inventing powers that didn't exist, it wasn't just a decision that wasn't grounded in the constitution, it was doing something which is expressly forbidden by the constitution. There is no separation of church and state, but there is a forbiddance of establishing a state religion.

And of course, the spreading of the punishment against those who fail to follow the rituals of this new state religion is like a wildfire. Businesses are being seized, recognition of property rights denied, and absolutely, open displays of faith which are not in compliance with the state religion are being suppressed.

It is with great sadness that this is not being openly attacked for what it is.

17 posted on 07/10/2015 8:34:06 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: markomalley

Why do most people believe this was a “Decision” by the supreme court?? IT WASN’T, it was SENT BACK to the 6th district court, specifically for them to “REWRITE” their ruling, based on an appellate decision on an issue. If it were to APPLY to the STATES, the Supreme Court would be REQUIRED TO HEAR the Case in “ORIGINAL JURISDICTION”. THEY DID NOT, And article 3,section 2 is Plain and Clear as to their jurisdiction:

In all cases where a “STATE” is a party to the action, the supreme Court “SHALL” have original jurisdiction.

NO APPELLATE decision can be applied at the state level ANYWHERE. The decision will ultimately come from the inferior district court.

From Judge Moore:
A recent detailed study of the courts of all 50 states and the District of Columbia determined that 46 states and the District of Columbia adopt the position that the precedents of lower federal courts are not binding in their jurisdictions. Wayne A. Logan, A House Divided: When State and Lower Federal Courts Disagree on Federal Constitutional Rights, 90 Notre Dame L. Rev. 235, 280-81 (2014). The position of three other states is uncertain. Only one state (Delaware) defers to the constitutional decisions of lower federal courts. Id. At 281.

Federal courts have recognized that state-court review of constitutional questions is independent of the same authority lodged in the lower federal courts. “In passing on federal constitutional questions, the state courts and the lower federal courts have the same responsibility and occupy the same position; there is a parallelism but not paramountcy for both sets of courts are governed by the same reviewing authority of the Supreme Court.” United States ex rel.Lawrence v. Woods, 432 F.2d 1072, 1075 (7th Cir. 1970).

Although consistency between state and federal courts is desirable in that it promotes respect for the law and prevents litigants from forum-shopping, there is nothing inherently offensive about two sovereigns reaching different legal conclusions. Indeed, such results were contemplated by our federal system, and neither sovereign is required to, nor expected to, yield to the other.

Surrick v. Killion, 449 F. 3d 520, 535 (3rd Cir. 2006).

The United States Supreme Court has acknowledged that state courts “possess the authority, absent a provision for exclusive federal jurisdiction, to render binding judicial decisions that rest on their own interpretations of federal law.” Asarco Inc. v. Kadish, 490 U.S. 605, 617 (1989). Two justices of the United States Supreme Court in special writings have elaborated on this principle.

The Supremacy Clause demands that state law yield to federal law, but neither federal supremacy nor any other principle of federal law requires that a state court’s interpretation of federal law give way to a (lower) federal court’s interpretation. In our federal system, a state trial court’s interpretation of federal law is no less authoritative than that of the federal court of appeals in whose circuit the trial court is located.

Lockhart v. Fretwell, 506 U.S. 364, 375-76 (1993) (Thomas, J., concurring). See also Steffel v. Thompson, 415 U.S. 452, 482, n. 3 (1974) (Rehnquist, J., concurring) (noting that a lower- federal-court decision “would not be accorded the stare decisis effect in state court that it would have in a subsequent proceeding within the same federal jurisdiction. Although the state court would not be compelled to follow the federal holding, the opinion might, of course, be viewed as highly persuasive.”).

For the above reasons, I am of the opinion that an Alabama probate judge may deliver his own considered opinion, subject to review, on the issues raised in Searcy and Strawser and is not required to defer to federal district and circuit court rulings on the same questions.


18 posted on 07/10/2015 9:07:09 AM PDT by eyeamok
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To: Nextrush

Bentley has really turned into a GOPe RINO.

I am sorry to have voted for him.

Can we recall him, like the democrats tried against Scott Walker?


19 posted on 07/10/2015 9:20:48 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (As we say in the Air Force, "You know you're over the target when you start getting flak!")
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To: Alas Babylon!

I don’t know the AL laws. Watch Chief Justice Roy Moore and how he rules on this matter and what Governor Bentley may try to do in retaliation.

Who is going to stand up to the new C.S.A. (Corporate States of America? They make take down the old C.S.A. flag but the old initials still apply........


20 posted on 07/10/2015 1:28:46 PM PDT by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS, REMEMBER PASTOR NIEMOLLER)
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