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"and subject to the jurisdiction thereof..."
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv ^

Posted on 08/18/2015 3:22:38 PM PDT by cotton1706

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Children of those illegally in the United States are NOT subject to its jurisdiction.
1 posted on 08/18/2015 3:22:38 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

agree.


2 posted on 08/18/2015 3:23:57 PM PDT by Perdogg (I'm on a no Carb diet- NO Christie Ayotte Romney or Bush - stay outta da Bushesh)
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To: cotton1706

They can’t be arrested and tried?


3 posted on 08/18/2015 3:24:39 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Sign up for my new release e-mail and get my first novel for free)
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To: cotton1706; Liz; AuntB; La Lydia; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; ...

Mark Levin is explaining this now

http://player.listenlive.co/25111


4 posted on 08/18/2015 3:24:43 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

So can foreigners, so what’s your point?


5 posted on 08/18/2015 3:27:03 PM PDT by Ray76 (When a gov't leads it's people down a path of destruction resistance is not only a right but a duty.)
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To: Ray76

It says “and” not “or”.


6 posted on 08/18/2015 3:28:01 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Finally......maybe Levin will realize the 14th amendment doesn’t make anyone a ‘natural born Citizen’


7 posted on 08/18/2015 3:29:38 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (DEPORT OBOLA VOTERS)
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To: Ray76

If they can’t be, they are not under jurisdiction. Like someone who is a diplomat cannot be arrested and tried in the United States, because they are not under jurisdiction.

But if they CAN be tried and arrested, then they ARE under jurisdiction.

That’s what jurisdiction means.


8 posted on 08/18/2015 3:30:50 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Sign up for my new release e-mail and get my first novel for free)
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They can’t be arrested and tried?

Don't conflate one thing with another. If you had studied this subject, you would know that the legal system recognizes several levels of temporary jurisdiction and temporary allegiance.

Foreign students visiting the US are regarded as having a temporary allegiance to the society in which they are currently living. Illegal aliens are an invading force, penetrating into the interior without permission.

They are the responsibility of their own governments, not ours.

9 posted on 08/18/2015 3:30:50 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

ALL Persons to be considered “Under the Jurisdiction of” have a requirement of being able to be charged with TREASON, If you are an Illegal Alien you CANNOT BE CHARGED WITH TREASON AGAINST THE UNITED STATES, you ARE NOT “under the jurisdiction of” You Have NO RIGHTS to have your offspring be citizens.


10 posted on 08/18/2015 3:31:53 PM PDT by eyeamok
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That’s why we can’t charge Ogabe with treason.


11 posted on 08/18/2015 3:33:15 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (DEPORT OBOLA VOTERS)
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To: DiogenesLamp

They are still under control of our law. They are under the jurisdiction of the United States. In Medellin vs. Texas, it was confirmed by the United States Supreme Court that we can try and execute an illegal immigrant because he is under our jurisdiction.

Change the Constitution and this all goes away!


12 posted on 08/18/2015 3:33:34 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Sign up for my new release e-mail and get my first novel for free)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Not being subject to US jurisdiction means they are not bound by the responsibilities that citizens have, like jury duty, getting a passport to travel outside the country, voting, etc. It does not mean you can ignore the law if you’re not a citizen. The way you are interrupting it there would be no reason to put those words in the amendment. They would mean nothing.


13 posted on 08/18/2015 3:34:11 PM PDT by DB
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ALL Persons to be considered “Under the Jurisdiction of” have a requirement of being able to be charged with TREASON

Show me this definition.

14 posted on 08/18/2015 3:34:17 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Sign up for my new release e-mail and get my first novel for free)
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To: eyeamok

It’s not a right which accrues to the illegal parents. The quote indicates that it is a right which accrues to the child which is born here.


15 posted on 08/18/2015 3:35:44 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
They are still under control of our law.

So were those invading German Soldiers, but we didn't make citizens out of their children, now did we? Oh, but wait! They didn't have any because WE EXECUTED THEM.

16 posted on 08/18/2015 3:36:00 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Stop getting my hopes up!! :)


17 posted on 08/18/2015 3:37:57 PM PDT by SWAMP-C1PHER (G.A.L.T., Government Absent Laissez-faire Technique)
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To: DB

Why are the words there? Because there are several categories of people who would not be under the jurisdiction of the United States.

-Diplomats
-Native Americans on their tribal lands
-Enemy Combatants

The Supreme Court has ruled on this issue in many, many, many cases. And yet I see a lot of supposition and explanation of how the word “jurisdiction” means something else.

But no links or quotations from cases or law.

Just made up crap that I would expect from liberals who find things like gay marriage and abortion in the Constitution.

The Constitution is clear. We need to change the Constitution to fix this, not make up crap like liberals.


18 posted on 08/18/2015 3:38:00 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Sign up for my new release e-mail and get my first novel for free)
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To: DiogenesLamp

See post 18. Enemy combatants are not under jurisdiction. One of several categories.


19 posted on 08/18/2015 3:38:48 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Sign up for my new release e-mail and get my first novel for free)
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To: eyeamok
ALL Persons to be considered “Under the Jurisdiction of” have a requirement of being able to be charged with TREASON,

Where do you get that from?

20 posted on 08/18/2015 3:39:21 PM PDT by Hugin ("First thing--get yourself a firearm!" Sheriff Ed Galt)
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