HP Dumps 30,000 Jobs, But Still Cranking Up H1B Immigrants

Breitbart ^ | 16 Sep 2015 | Chriss W. Street

[central_va]

Sorry what you are saying is the middle class is doomed. Go back to lurking or learn stand behind your statements.

So explain how off shoring and H-1B does not kill the middle class?

[9YearLurker]

I’m not advocating it, I’m simply stating the current market in which US tech companies, especially, compete.

I think it is right to at least require true salary parity for H1-B’s brought into the market.

Otherwise, US tech workers ought to just get off their duffs, as any good employee with good skills in the most in-demand programming languages can command a six-figure salary. It’s out there for them, if they’re willing to retool.

[central_va]

You are a Free Traitor™.

[ConservingFreedom]

You don't "gotta" [use lower-cost international labor to compete in a global market] if that lower-cost international labor is also lower-skill ... which it clearly is, since laid-off Americans are training their Third World replacements (as a condition of getting their severance).

H1-Bs often come as part of a larger package, with their India-based employers (rather than direct US employers) providing outsourcing and development services that also leverage offshore talent.

H1-Bs are more obvious a target for the US labor market, but less significant than offshoring, which really can’t be stopped without killing the golden goose of the global IT market—of which the US has a largely disproportionate share.

None of what you say is responsive to my post. Why is that?

[central_va]

golden goose of the global IT market

GloBULList propaganda.

[ConservingFreedom]

I think it is right to at least require true salary parity for H1-B’s brought into the market.

I agree - which is not how it works now:

H-1B Is Designed to Allow Employers to Replace Americans with Cheap Foreign Workers
H-1B Is Designed to Allow Employers to Pay Foreign Workers Extremely Low Wages

[Paul R.]

Exactly. The one acquaintance I talked to at some length said most of the H-1B workers being brought in by his company were not trained in his area (writing code, among other things) at all. Some were schoolteachers and such. The only good thing about it for him was a good severance package and that because the training of the replacements was lengthy, he had time to prepare for his next employment (not in IT at all.) But I doubt one in 5 persons would make the kind of transition he did, successfully. I even wonder if I could, in 2015 (too old / not enough energy?)

[ConservingFreedom]

most of the H-1B workers being brought in by his company were not trained in his area (writing code, among other things) at all. Some were schoolteachers and such.

=8O. Even my pessimism is exceeded by reality.

[Nowhere Man]

"Appears", my behind. I know multiple people in IT who've had to train lower paid imported replacements for essentially their entire departments, including themselves.

I knew one mechanic who was a machinist and when the company he worked for was bought out by Red China and he had to teach his replacement, he told me that he just sat in the lunchroom for a while. When his boss came around looking for him, he exploded and said, "why should I teach some g--- (derogatory term for someone of Oriental heritage) to replace me?" as he stormed out of the company and drove home. End H1-B and L1 now.

[null and void]

In Japan, their equivalent of H-1Bs are, by law, paid 25% MORE than the prevailing wage.

If a foreigner clearly has skills that no available native has, and a company needs those skills to survive, then that company should be willing to pay a premium for those skills.

Do you agree or disagree?

[Nowhere Man]

I’d like to know how in the heck companies save money with H1-B’s. I temped at a company in 1996 that brought them over. The entire company was Indian except the accounting section which was where I was placed. I helped out with the records an accounting and the H1-B’s were paid anywhere from $40K to $115K a year and remember, that was almost 20 years ago. No way they can save money that way, there has to be something else.

[Paul R.]

That might work for the top 20%. The rest are screwed - there just are not THAT many of those 6 figure jobs available.

[OftheOhio]

This video (2007) shows a major conspiracy taking place against the American worker for some time now.

PERM Fake Job Ads defraud Americans to secure green cards(FLASHBACK)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3326108/posts?page=6

[Paul R.]

I can tell you I agree - I’ve been posting on FR that the “premium” should be 20%, so I have no argument with you!

Trump - all of ‘em, in fact, should pick up on this - I did not know Japan had such a policy!

[9YearLurker]

So how do you plan to make US tech providers unable to use cheap global labor competitive with non-US providers who can?

Are you looking to block international competition into the US market (and thus, by retaliatory moves, US providers from non-US markets)?

[9YearLurker]

If they don’t, they can be punished for it and presumably those who don’t hire them will beat them in the market.

Listen to Freepers and they’ll tell you pretty resoundingly that they are being paid far less than American workers.

[Buckeye McFrog]

The timing of that announcement fascinates me. Somebody in that boardroom REALLY wants to kneecap Carly at the debate tonight, eh?

[9YearLurker]

Any new job requires training to the specifics of a company.

But if it is such bad business to hire H1-Bs in the current system, their employers presumably will pay the cost of that.

[9YearLurker]

Essentially a free trader? Yes, I am. But I am economically educated enough to know that free trade—if it is fair—is good for the country.

(The devil is in the “if it is fair” details.)

[9YearLurker]

Japan is heavily protectionist in lots of areas. Sometimes it helps, sometimes it hurts.

But if we are going to take any immigrants into the country, young tech workers are our best choice to make, on average, so I don’t actually see why we need to be punitive in the tech area specifically, no.