China’s Master Plan to Destroy the F-22 and F-35 in Battle

The National Interest ^ | September 17, 2015 | Dave Majumdar

[sukhoi-30mki]

A J-11 photographed from a U.S. Navy P-8 patrol plane. U.S. Navy photo

[piytar]

The Raptor is the most advanced manned air superiority fighter ever created. It could easily handle the Chinese counterparts even outnumbered 10 to 1.

Thing is, we have things that could chew up a dozen Raptors, which are after all a decade year old (deployment time).

PS Note the reticle on the image of the Chinese fighter.

[smokingfrog]

swarm! swarm! swarm!

[laplata]

“Thing is, we have things that could chew up a dozen Raptors, which are after all a decade year old (deployment time)”.

What things do we have?

[ThunderSleeps]

Actually they better not be outnumbered any more than about 6 to 1 in an engagement. They only hold 6 AMRAAMs and 2 Sidewinders. If they get close enough for the heat seekers they’ve already lost the advantage. With a system like the F-22 you want to shoot BVR and go home. You don’t want to mix it up in close where even some 20mm can take out a 300+ million aircraft.

[Nowhere Man]

Time to call up the "The Men From The Fighting Lady."



B-)

[Despot of the Delta]

Those two large heat plumes coming out of the ass make her real stealthy and no with no thrust vectoring the F-22 will eat it for lunch.

[piytar]

Un-manned things (drones and the like). All I’m willing to say.

[Nowhere Man]

Actually they better not be outnumbered any more than about 6 to 1 in an engagement. They only hold 6 AMRAAMs and 2 Sidewinders. If they get close enough for the heat seekers they’ve already lost the advantage. With a system like the F-22 you want to shoot BVR and go home. You don’t want to mix it up in close where even some 20mm can take out a 300+ million aircraft.

Yeah, I'd be scared to take out the F-22 for fear I'd lose it, 200 or 300 million a plane, yikes! B-) Seriously, we should have made more of them, dump the F-35, make more F-15SE's and to round out the low cost side, some F-20's, basically an uprated F-5. Still there will be times you will have to go toe to toe in a close dogfight and just pray we win. Even so, I think they want to modify the F-15C to carry twice as man air-to-air missiles, I know the F-15E (from the old F-15 Strike Eagle game from the 1980's) can carry 4 Sidewinders (AIM-9's) and 4 Sparrows (AIM-7's) and if that is the case, it would have 8 each. That would be one mean mama!!!! I remember in the F-15 game, it was cool engaging enemy MiG-21's and 23;s BVR with the Sparrow. Even so, if you get too reckless and cocky, they can kill you just as well as anyone else out there. In reality, there are no obosolete weapons just obsolete tactics.

[piytar]

Ok, I will take 6 to 1.

[Thunder90]

The Russians and Chinese have plans to beat us in the air.

1. Beat us by numbers. Far more SU-35’s and J-11s than F-15/16/18 variants.
2. Match us in technology. Russia has the SU-50, and the Chinese J-xx, are both knock offs of the F-35.
3. Beat us in technology. Russian and Chines 4th generation fighters have advanced AESA radar and plasma stealth.

[Mariner]

"Down the road, advanced derivatives of the J-11 might become every bit as capable as the most advanced versions of American and allied fourth-generation fighters like the F-15 or F-16.

Even fifth-generation Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptors and F-35 Joint Strike Fighters might be overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of Chinese jets and the problems associated with the lack of bases in the Western Pacific.

That's as far as you have to read to know the author is ignorant. The second and third paragraphs.

[doorgunner69]

What things do we have?

Snark!

I love those sorts of posts, too.

[Mariner]

"1. Beat us by numbers. Far more SU-35’s and J-11s than F-15/16/18 variants."

Uh, no.

[Mariner]

"3. Beat us in technology. Russian and Chines 4th generation fighters have advanced AESA radar and plasma stealth."

Nobody has plasma stealth.

[laplata]

“Un-manned things (drones and the like). All I’m willing to say”.

Give me a break. If you knew more than the rest of us who know such things you wouldn’t have spoken out at all. You would be monitored and wouldn’t dare make any statements on a public forum.

We have laser weapons with multi target capabilities and other lethal weapons.

I know of one in particular but won’t tell you.

[laplata]

Do you think we’re in better shape than is portrayed in the article?

[Trod Upon]

Meh, if we really get into it with the Chinese they’ll just nuke us. Of course they might not have to, given that immediate cessation of all shipments of manufactured products to us would probably have a similar effect as the hail of ICBMs at this point.

[Wolfie]

From what I’ve read, no idea if it’s true or not, we can’t even build our weapons systems without Chinese sourced parts.

[TwelveOfTwenty]

China is building a lot of them.

All paid for with money made from these stupid free trade deals.