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Does the U.S. Navy Need a 21st Century F-14 Tomcat?
The National Interest ^ | October 13, 2015 | Dave Majumdar

Posted on 10/13/2015 10:57:54 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

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1 posted on 10/13/2015 10:57:54 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

It’s a view that shared by many industry officials, U.S. Navy, U.S. Air Force and,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ***even U.S. Marine Corps aviators***.

I don’t know why, but this pleases me. Another glorious moment for the corps. Everyone assumes with the other branches that the BS is deep. To nail the veracity of the others opinions, they make sure you know the Marines agree.


2 posted on 10/13/2015 11:01:51 PM PDT by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

As Yogi said so well: “It’s Deja Vu, all over again!”


3 posted on 10/13/2015 11:09:21 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: DesertRhino
It was widely known throughout the US defense establishment the F-14 and the Phoenix Missile were the most advanced 4th generation, air superiority combo in existence.

For 25 years.

However, new things are here.

Some the pubic knows, some they do not.

4 posted on 10/13/2015 11:12:17 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Oh, no! The USN has the awfully expensive and overrated F-35C that can do everything except fight.
5 posted on 10/13/2015 11:46:22 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 ( Barbara Daly Danko)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Guess that F-35 thing isn’t working out very well huh?


6 posted on 10/14/2015 1:58:59 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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To: Sequoyah101

You could have shortened your post a little to:

That F-35 thing isn’t working.


7 posted on 10/14/2015 2:07:22 AM PDT by maddog55 (America Rising a new Civil War needs to happen.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I guess they’ve looked at beefing up the F-22 for sea duty.


8 posted on 10/14/2015 2:47:49 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: Vinnie
I guess they’ve looked at beefing up the F-22 for sea duty.

Can anyone think of a USAF fighter which was "beefed up" for carrier service"?

Some have gone the other way - USN/USMC to USAF. Carrier service is a whole 'nuther ballgame.

Think "converting a Ferrari, Lamborghini or Lotus to run the Baja 1000 vs running the Ford F-150 Raptor on a paved road course".

9 posted on 10/14/2015 3:09:56 AM PDT by BwanaNdege
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I’m not sure of the untility of a pure naval interceptor when the chief threats to a CVN’s existence in a major naval war will be submarines and (increasingly) ballistic missiles.

CVNs are great tools for limited wars and keeping sea lanes open. But if the balloon goes up against a nuclear armed opponent it will be the subs that sweep the seas. If the carriers come out at all it will be to mop up.

If I’m right then the carrier fleet’s only utility is in limited regional wars where there really isn’t an aerial threat requiring a pure interceptor.


10 posted on 10/14/2015 4:38:08 AM PDT by Tallguy
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Can anyone think of a USAF fighter which was "beefed up" for carrier service"?

F-4 Phantom?

11 posted on 10/14/2015 5:11:06 AM PDT by ZOOKER (Until further notice the /s is implied...)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Arguing over which variant of yesterday’s technology would best enrich the defense industry. Probably the whole conversation is irrelevant, unless we find ourselves needing to fight a Vietnam-like war against Madagascar.


12 posted on 10/14/2015 5:17:49 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (Heteropatriarchal Capitalist)
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To: ZOOKER

F-4 was a Navy fighter adopted by the Air Force.


13 posted on 10/14/2015 5:42:32 AM PDT by GMMC0987
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The romance is over. The future has more payload, performance and endurance. The future is unmanned. No need for SAR either.


14 posted on 10/14/2015 5:50:57 AM PDT by Theophilus (Be as prolific as you are pro-life.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Short answer - absolutely. Former F-14 Logistics expert here.


15 posted on 10/14/2015 8:27:59 AM PDT by wiley (John 16:33: "In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world.")
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To: ZOOKER

“The McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II is a tandem two-seat, twin-engine, all-weather, long-range supersonic jet interceptor aircraft/fighter-bomber originally developed for the United States Navy by McDonnell Aircraft. It first entered service in 1960 with the U.S. Navy. Proving highly adaptable, it was also adopted by the U.S. Marine Corps and the U.S. Air Force, and by the mid-1960s had become a major part of their respective air wings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_F-4_Phantom_II


16 posted on 10/14/2015 8:28:09 AM PDT by BwanaNdege
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To: Tallguy

#10 I think subs too. Subs with many missiles to destroy ships and land targets.


17 posted on 10/14/2015 11:47:52 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: BwanaNdege
My mistake.

It's the only plane I could think of that was used by AF and carrier-based too.

Carrier landings are so hard on AC, need a plane designed specifically for that. Any other branch it's just extra weight

18 posted on 10/14/2015 11:50:33 AM PDT by ZOOKER (Until further notice the /s is implied...)
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To: Sequoyah101

It is working out just fine. The F-35 was never built to be an interceptor the way the F-14 was. The article is asking if the dedicated interceptor role needs to come back. When the field the F-14 in the first place no one (with half a brain) said it was because the A-7 was not working out.


19 posted on 10/14/2015 12:26:58 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Theophilus
"The future is unmanned."

20 posted on 10/14/2015 12:32:03 PM PDT by moehoward
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