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The Dark Specter of Vietnam
Townhall.com ^ | November 4, 2015 | Allen West

Posted on 11/04/2015 5:09:52 AM PST by Kaslin

This past week President Obama stated that he would be deploying fifty US Special Operations troops to Syria. This appears to be a reaction; a response to the events that have dictated to the Commander-in-Chief what he must do. After the recent Taliban attack, brief seizure of the Afghanistan city of Kunduz, and the raid against two Al Qaeda bases in Kandahar province, we certainly know that combat operations have not ended. In both of those situations, US special operations forces were utilized.

Then there was the recent Iraqi Soldiers hostage rescue mission in which US Army Operations Detachment (Delta) was involved and MSG Joshua Wheeler lost his life. That is a clear indicator that combat operations have not ended in Iraq and we do have "combat boots" on the ground. The Obama administration struggled through semantic hoops to align the hostage rescue mission with "training, advising, and assisting" and not combat.

However, during a hearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee last week, US Secretary of Defense Ash Carter said that we would begin conducting direct ground operations combat. But anyone who has been deployed into a zone where there is an enemy shooting at you will tell you that you are in a combat zone. So history appears to be repeating itself or as the famed Yankee baseball player Yogi Berra would say, "it's deja vu all over again."

This nation struggled with defining its involvement and operations in Vietnam. I will remember that time because my older brother, Herman West Jr., was a Marine infantryman there with Charlie Company, 1st Battalion, 26th Marines. He was wounded at a place that perhaps many in the Obama administration have never heard of, Khe Sanh. My brother was one of the lucky ones: he survived. Over 50,000 did not, and we see their names on a memorial in Washington DC. And so the dark specter of Vietnam rises up again as we witness the failure of strategic level policies in defeating the enemy which begins with the inability to define the enemy and allocate the resources to soundly, defeat them.

What started as an "advisory" mission in Southeast Asia blew up into a full-scale combat operation. What eventually became known, as a loss was a battlefield where the American fighting man did not lose at the tactical level. We lost at the strategic level, and it appears that we may be heading down the same path. Just as with the defeat of the Viet Cong and NVA in the Tet Offensive, we had done so in Iraq. However, the winds of politics blew stronger. The media cast Tet as a loss for America, and in Iraq we withdrew our forces when the enemy had been vanquished from the battlefield.

Just as in Vietnam, when the enemy was given a new breath of air, so was a defeated Al Qaeda in Iraq enabled to reconstitute and reemerge as the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. And here we are again, piece-mealing our forces onto a now very complex battlefield.

The intent is to conduct operations against ISIS, but now that we have Russian, Syrian, Iranian Quds Force, Hezbollah, and Cuban special operations forces in the battlespace are we entering into a proxy war? The Russian led alliance is conducting operations against the forces we are supposedly supporting in the fight against Bashar Assad, the fella who supposedly has to go. The arrayed forces under Russian air cover are assaulting the Syrian rebels we are supporting. Therefore, if we deploy our special operations forces into the Syrian area of operations, who are they training, advising, and assisting? If the answer is the Kurdish Peshmerga, that is understandable, though not palatable for Turkey. Then again, they are not exactly a trusted ally.

If not the Kurdish forces then are we to believe our venerable special operators are supposed to conduct foreign internal defense missions with the 4-5 bubbas remaining from the 54 Syrians who were trained with $45M taxpayer resources? And why would we place the A-10s and F-15s in Turkey and Jordan and not right there in Kurdistan? I admire the stand the Jordanians have made, but is that the right deployment airfield?

In the military the modus operandi is that we receive guidance on task and purpose: what are the objectives, effects to be attained. From that point, the military planners develop the right force structure as part of the operations plan (OPLAN) that will be converted into an operations order (OPORD) once approved. So what is our plan?

We have some 2,500 combat troops on the ground in Iraq and we have not been able to degrade, defeat, or destroy ISIS. As a matter of fact, this past weekend ISIS made another advancement and is within 15-20 miles of the road that connects Damascus to Homs. So much for Vladimir Putin’s assertion that he is being effective against ISIS.

Let's just ask ourselves, honestly: if President Obama had maintained the recommended residual force of 10-15K troops in Iraq, would we have this quagmire? There are more questions than answers when it comes to our strategic way forward in Iraq and Syria. My greatest concern is that once again the policy of the Obama administration is to put a band-aid on a sucking chest wound. It is the façade of doing something when in all actuality nothing will be done. We have asked for a conference to talk about what needs to be done in Iraq and Syria, and Iran has been invited to that table funny, Israel has not been.

And it is Israel that is watching all this develop to their north.

Fifty US Special Operators, while brave and valorous, are not a strategy. Heck, at least Spartan King Leonidas had 300. The Spartan sacrifice led to an eventual victory. The dark specter of Vietnam reminds us of the result of nebulous strategy and mission creep defeat.


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1 posted on 11/04/2015 5:09:52 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
"We have some 2,500 combat troops on the ground in Iraq"

If this wasn't so deadly serious, this statement would be laughable. Folks, we have a lot more than 2,500 troops in Iraq. Perhaps they get away with this by saying well they're not combat troops. So what is a combat troop?

Col West, you are correct, we have no current workable strategy in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan etc... I truly believe the strategy is do just enough so this situation does not blow up in the face of the current administration. Leave the tough choices to the next administration and I will get out of here saying I ended two wars....
2 posted on 11/04/2015 5:17:21 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

“Col West, you are correct, we have no current workable strategy in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan etc...”

I will go one better, we had no workable solution in Irag and Afghanistan since we got involved there.

BTW, while I attention is directed to Syria at the moment, something is happening in SE Asia with serious overtones, the People Republic President is meeting with the president of Taiwan for the first time in 50+ years. I have been saying for a year countries like Taiwan which were dependent on US support are going to realign as O Turd removes us from the world stage.


3 posted on 11/04/2015 5:37:39 AM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Kaslin
the result of nebulous strategy and mission creep defeat

Not just mission creep -- mission BY a creep.

4 posted on 11/04/2015 5:39:53 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Obama is doing what every Democrat president has done over the last 100 years. Put US military in harms way as a trip wire. If our soldiers are killed, we will retaliate with the full force of the US military.

Problem is, no one believes Obama, so if US forces are killed, what is Obama going to do? Well we already know that answer. Nothing, as long as it fits the agenda.


5 posted on 11/04/2015 5:43:10 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Liberalism is only successful if you allow it to be. To win, you have to fight back.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I think he’s trying to steer events so as to declare some subterfuge of national emergency and stay in office past 2016.


6 posted on 11/04/2015 5:57:53 AM PST by onedoug
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To: onedoug

got an idea:

remember the 22 Seal Team six members killed?

well now it is payback time for Delta Force-

hate to think this ... but o’bummer is an evil
traitor-


7 posted on 11/04/2015 6:23:08 AM PST by mj1234
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To: Kaslin
This past week President Obama stated that he would be deploying fifty US Special Operations troops to Syria.

Isn't this how LBJ got us into Viet Nam? Which turned into "Nixon's war."

Is there a "Trump's war" in the future?

8 posted on 11/04/2015 7:02:33 AM PST by CPOSharky (I was born with nothing, and I still have most of it.)
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To: CPOSharky

LBJ lied about the Gulf of Tonkin incident. I find it disgusting that the rats blamed President Nixon for the war.


9 posted on 11/04/2015 7:11:24 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

LBJ micromanaged Vietnam War from the White House, wouldn’t listen to his military commanders on the ground.

Lt Col Hal Moore We Were Soldiers details a lot of what happened. His Platoon were the advisers to be shot at and killed, wounded. They were not considered casualties of war, as they were there before the war started and were there as advisers.


10 posted on 11/04/2015 7:20:16 AM PST by GailA (If You don't keep your Promises to Our Troops, thu won't keep them to anyone. Ret. SCPO's wife)
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To: Kaslin

Quagmire!


11 posted on 11/04/2015 7:37:02 AM PST by Freemeorkillme
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To: GOPsterinMA

Forrest Gump: “The war in Vietnam?”

Hippie Leader: “The war in Viet-f***ing-nam!!!”

A “democrat war” as Bob Dole put it.


12 posted on 11/04/2015 12:37:56 PM PST by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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To: Impy; NFHale; Clintonfatigued; stephenjohnbanker; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; Perdogg

Bob Dole is right.

WW I
WW 2
Korea
Vietnam

All 4 had RAT CIC’s either for when they started and/or for the duration of said war.


13 posted on 11/04/2015 1:52:01 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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