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The Cruz Five for Freedom Summary
TedCruz.org ^ | November 10, 2015

Posted on 11/10/2015 9:24:15 PM PST by Isara

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To: Cold Heat; MamaTexan
I suppose the real culprit is a populace who has abdicated it's roll as a plank holder. (best word I could come up with)

I've got better words for you: "Law Enforcement." In this country, as Constituted, THE PEOPLE were law enforcement. Now, think of the Trumpsters and "conservatives" who think that "the government" shall "protect them from invasion" without the militias of the Several States? Or that "the government" should enforce an unconstitutional POWER like e-verify with which to control who can and cannot work in a private contract? What if that power was exercised against the people? That's why the Constitution limits "powers." These clowns don't get it.

Law enforcement was up to the people for the first 100 years of this nation's history. The courts made it so complex that we abrogated that job to "professionals" INSTEAD OF ELECTING NEW REPRESENTATIVES who would rewrite those laws and limit the courts as is their constitutional prerogative. Hence, unless and until I hear one of these candidates state flatly that the first action they intend as border enforcement is to drive for a bill eliminating the jurisdiction of the Federal courts over aliens I won't believe that they are serious, because the courts will shut down whatever they do.

Sorry to get off topic, but I wanted to show you what constitutional law enforcement looks like because so few here have any clue as to how it was supposed to work.

21 posted on 11/11/2015 11:37:28 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Dupes for Donald, Chumps for Trump)
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To: Carry_Okie
There is no form of regulation more disastrous to the US economy than environmental regulation, of which Federal land use control is the epitome. Environmental "protection" is the raison d'etre of global socialism. Heck it even underlies the rationale for the destruction of public education (it's in writing)! For Cruz not to be sufficiently aware of this to make a point as a high priority in his program it is concerning to me. For him to succeed at it requires an education I am willing to offer, owning the first patent in a free-market environmental management business method, having written three books and many articles dealing with the topic of regulatory corruption, and having personally conducted the most detailed, successful, and enduring native plant restoration in North America. Finally, G-d's first commandment to humans was to care for His creation and his apocalyptic punishments arise out of failing to follow His explicit commands as to how to conduct ourselves toward that end.

Got it now?

So, yes, the comment was more for real than you could reasonably have imagined.

While I agree that the EPA/BLM need to be seriously reined in, they are not the sort of programs that can be totally discontinued (changed to make sense instead of being used as a hammer on the People, but not done away with)I'd wager that God doesn't care much about our economy.

I'd also wager that Cruz is totally aware of it but doesn't want to have idiots claiming he wants us to dirty the air, pollute the waters, and other such nonsense if he makes this a big campaign issue.

God's instructions (instructions, not commandments) were to ensure that folks didn't abuse the land by over planting and rendering it non-arable. He also told folks how to wash their hands and even instructed men who had night time emissions to separate themselves from the general populace. When we claim that every instruction to help His people stay healthy is a commandment, we get away from the New Covenant (which He gave us as a new set of rules/standards) and instead of carrying the Good News of the Gospels, we use the Bible as a hammer even though it wasn't designed as such. Don't get the Old Covenant mixed up with the New and don't worry about how we treat the earth - He has spoken how it will go and what He will do to set things straight - that's why I cringe when Popes get into the global warming insanity and worry about whether or not we will destroy the Earth from under us - if that was His concern, He would have brought it forward.

I understand your concern but don't throw the baby out with the bath water while the water is still running. Expect too much and end up with another Obama.

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22 posted on 11/11/2015 11:46:49 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: trebb; GladesGuru
While I agree that the EPA/BLM need to be seriously reined in, they are not the sort of programs that can be totally discontinued...

You didn't hear me say EPA. They administer treaty law among other things, as does the FWS. That is a lot to undo in one term. The good news is that the bulk of them are wildly unconstitutional.

I'd also wager that Cruz is totally aware of it but doesn't want to have idiots claiming he wants us to dirty the air, pollute the waters, and other such nonsense if he makes this a big campaign issue.

The media attention it would generate is a perfect opportunity to show how the socialist program FAILS the environment, primarily because stewardship is not what it is about, it's purpose being to enrich and empower it's wealthy sponsors. So, if Cruz knew what he was about here, he would not only not fear the confrontation, he would relish it, particularly when armed with a Constitutional and effective counter-proposal that presents opportunity to an under-employed nation to make things better for native habitat.

God's instructions (instructions, not commandments) were to ensure that folks didn't abuse the land by over planting and rendering it non-arable.

False. You need to spend a bit more time with the Hebrew in Genesis 1:28.

Don't get the Old Covenant mixed up with the New and don't worry about how we treat the earth -

Don't try to sell me replacement theology. Mkay? You would be hard pressed to find a better-versed philosopher of the antediluvian Torah on earth today, especially insofar as its pastoral origins are concerned. I'm dead serious about that.

I understand your concern but don't throw the baby out with the bath water while the water is still running. Expect too much and end up with another Obama.

I'm not. I'm exhorting him to pay attention and get an education I'd be happy to supply. I think it would help him win, both the election and over the long run.

23 posted on 11/11/2015 12:08:16 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Dupes for Donald, Chumps for Trump)
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To: trebb
Try these picture books, many of them about the National Parks, and you'll get what I mean by an education.

It's not that hard.

24 posted on 11/11/2015 12:11:26 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Dupes for Donald, Chumps for Trump)
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To: Isara

Bookmarking...

Cruz or lose!


25 posted on 11/11/2015 9:11:18 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: HKMk23

Maybe in his second term.


26 posted on 11/11/2015 9:27:40 PM PST by altura (Cruz for our country)
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To: Carry_Okie

Didn’t know you were such a zealot - I think I’ll just leave you be. BTW - God did replace the Old Covenant with the New Covenant.


27 posted on 11/12/2015 2:50:25 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: trebb
God did replace the Old Covenant with the New Covenant.

False. First, and to put it simply, not all was fulfilled. Second, Paul's letters are wildly misunderstood. Finally, even Messiah made it unmistakable and critical:

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The final word in verse 23 (anomian), is commonly translated as "iniquity." It actually means "lawlessness." Hence, "will of my Father," would denote the Mosaic Law.

Replacement theology rests on some very bad scholarship.

28 posted on 11/12/2015 6:07:08 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Dupes for Donald, Chumps for Trump)
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To: Isara

..the Bundy Ranch incident tells us all we need to know about what to do with Agent Love and the BLM...


29 posted on 11/12/2015 6:09:42 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: Carry_Okie

I guess some folks don’t understand that when Jesus walked the Earth, he was under the Old Covenant (when and why did God give the commandments?) and had to talk/follow the Old while He was here. Folks that think like you discount the full importance of His sacrifice.


30 posted on 11/12/2015 7:53:16 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: trebb
I guess some folks don’t understand that when Jesus walked the Earth, he was under the Old Covenant (when and why did God give the commandments?) and had to talk/follow the Old while He was here. Folks that think like you discount the full importance of His sacrifice.

So you say with no evidence. I understand the theory perfectly. I also know that it is false.

As to your snide charge of "zealotry" (hardly in keeping with Messiah's teaching), for you to decide that what the Father with whom He said He was one doesn't matter after his execution, or that an eternal G_d just changes His mind as to what works is simply bizarre. Worse, your philosophy is selective, as if some of the Law matters (such as the Decalogue) and some does not (those nasty dietary rules), showing no understanding whatever of the practical value of the latter. Some even believe that Law morphs pursuant to the will of men.

Yours is a goofy body of belief. This distinction is about scholarly rigor, truth, more than zeal. I suggest you investigate the sources I offered you. Messiah's work is not done. All is not fulfilled. Matthew 5:18 is still in force.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
31 posted on 11/12/2015 8:24:12 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Dupes for Donald, Chumps for Trump)
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To: Carry_Okie

Fellow FReepers, our very own Carrie_Okie actually did raise unique and original perspectives on the ecological/historical/theological aspects of the Jewish concept of “Shemittah”.

The Orthodox Rabbi in Miami, whom I asked for his opinion on Carrie_Okie’s “Shemitta: For The Land Is Mine” opined it was probably correct, but was above his expertise. It was he who suggested one of the leading authorities on Shemitta, Rav Moore, and supplied a phone number in Israel for Carrie_Okie.

Rav Moore’s response may best be described by his frequent response of the word ‘fascinating’.

The best part of FR is that one can tap into the cutting edge of human intellectual effort on many subjects.

Hmmmn — donated to FR lately? Also, Carrie_Okie funds his own work, but any contribution would be appreciated, I would guess.

Best pabut was beyond his expertise. He Recommended Rav Moore, and the abov asked to review Carrie_Okie’s work said he thought it was accurate,


32 posted on 11/13/2015 3:35:47 PM PST by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est. Because of what Islam is - and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: trebb

See post 32 for verification.


33 posted on 11/13/2015 3:47:33 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Dupes for Donald, Chumps for Trump)
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To: Carry_Okie
See post 32 for verification.

LOL! Get a few positive reviews for "cutting edge" work (how cutting edge can one get with Scripture?) and it's proof that you are correct even though you need to discount some other data to keep the Old Covenant viable - perhaps God didn't add His "Supersedes the Previous Covenant" on it.

You neglected to answer my question of when God gave out the Commandments and what His purpose was. Once you figure that out, please take a gander in the New Covenant and interpret why many were chastised for "having fallen from Grace (hint - it was for trying to keep the old Law alive and adhere to it in order to prove they could be worthy - but I digress).

Should we be good stewards of the Earth He gave us - absolutely. Are His Old Covenant instructions on how to do so a Commandment - not hardly (else we really have a few hundred commandments and His death and Resurrection were a waste if His Blood didn't wash away all of them for those who claim Him as their Lord and Savior).

IOW - nice work but don't claim He is going all Old Testament on us for not being good with the land - He has a new way of taking care of us and it's been awhile since He sent specific plagues or smote anyone - He really did give us free will with the caveat that if we ask for it He may tell us, "If you insist".

34 posted on 11/14/2015 3:25:01 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: trebb
You neglected to answer my question of when God gave out the Commandments and what His purpose was. Once you figure that out, please take a gander in the New Covenant and interpret why many were chastised for "having fallen from Grace (hint - it was for trying to keep the old Law alive and adhere to it in order to prove they could be worthy - but I digress).

You don't even know enough about Torah to understand what Messiah was saying. Really. I don't need your condescending tripe, as it is but evidence of your ignorance.

35 posted on 11/14/2015 6:39:37 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Dupes for Donald, Chumps for Trump)
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To: Carry_Okie
You don't even know enough about Torah to understand what Messiah was saying. Really. I don't need your condescending tripe, as it is but evidence of your ignorance.

My apologies.

36 posted on 11/15/2015 3:02:48 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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