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How is ‘assisted suicide’ anything other than the glorification of suicide?
LifeSiteNews ^ | 11/16/15 | Jonathon Van Maren

Posted on 11/16/2015 8:28:48 AM PST by wagglebee

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To: gdani

No, I don’t. I simply understand the meaning of the word. You do not.


41 posted on 11/16/2015 9:51:04 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: gdani

Let’s review:

Murder is explicitly and imperatively excluded by God’s commands to all mankind.

Murder is explicitly and imperatively excluded by the laws of nature.

Murder is explicitly and imperatively excluded by our national charter and its explication of natural law principles.

Murder is explicitly and imperatively excluded by multiple amendments to the U.S. Constitution, the supreme law of our land.

Murder is explicitly and imperatively excluded by the constitutions of all of the states in America.

“Assisted suicide” is murder.

It’s pretty simple.


42 posted on 11/16/2015 9:55:05 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: gdani
inalienable
adjective

: impossible to take away or give up

Full Definition of INALIENABLE
: incapable of being alienated, surrendered, or transferred

43 posted on 11/16/2015 9:57:57 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: wagglebee
How is the legalization and relentless promotion of “assisted suicide” not the “glorification of suicide”?

It's not. It's the first step on the slippery slope of government mandated elimination of the old and weak who no longer contribute to society. Liberals will tell you that it's unfair that old folks are hoarding all the money and stuff while young people are forced to actually work to get money.

44 posted on 11/16/2015 10:00:11 AM PST by Cementjungle
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To: gdani

“Those rights, then, which God and nature have established, and are therefore called natural rights, such as life and liberty, need not the aid of human laws to be more effectually invested in every man than they are; neither do they receive any additional strength when declared by the municipal laws to be inviolate. On the contrary, no human legislature has power to abridge or destroy them, unless the owner shall himself commit some act that amounts to a forfeiture.”

—Sir William Blackstone


45 posted on 11/16/2015 10:01:45 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
....unless the owner shall himself commit some act that amounts to a forfeiture

You mean like if someone were to say - if I end up in a horrible state, and it is clear I will die, then please assist me in ending my life instead of letting me suffer? That kind of forfeiture?

46 posted on 11/16/2015 10:14:58 AM PST by gdani (Government surveillance - the topic no candidate dare mention)
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To: gdani

No. It refers to those who have committed a capital offense.


47 posted on 11/16/2015 10:26:42 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: gdani
then please assist me in ending my life

No one has a right to ask someone else to murder them.

And they have no right to murder themselves.

48 posted on 11/16/2015 10:27:50 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
Unfortunately, we live in a society that has been brainwashed into thinking that every desire is somehow a right.

From a practical point of view, there can NEVER be a "right to die" because we DO NOT have a moral claim on death - death has a claim on US.

49 posted on 11/16/2015 10:38:02 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: gdani; EternalVigilance; Responsibility2nd; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; ...
Do you fail to understand not everyone shares your religious views?

You think that the unalienable right to life is a "religious view"? That's odd.

Presumably your "religious views" (or lack thereof) permit euthanasia, do they permit abortion as well? And if not, why not?

Yet, you think Big Government should impose them on others.

Government EXISTS to protect our right, chief among them is life.

50 posted on 11/16/2015 10:42:20 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Humanists of all sorts, including those of the libertarian bent, make the fatal error of believing that they own themselves, when in fact it’s not true. They belong to God, and are subject to His laws, whether they will face up to it or not.

Thank God America’s founders understood the truth of this matter perfectly well.


51 posted on 11/16/2015 10:42:30 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
Humanists of all sorts, including those of the libertarian bent, make the fatal error of believing that they own themselves, when in fact it’s not true. They belong to God, and are subject to His laws, whether they will face up to it or not.

Their fallacious reasoning is along the same lines as someone deciding that he was "gravity atheist" and jumping off of a twenty story building because he didn't believe that he was subject to the laws of gravity.

52 posted on 11/16/2015 10:44:52 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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You think that the unalienable right to life is a "religious view"? That's odd.

No. I believe using the force of Big Government to tell someone they cannot have someone assist them to terminate their life when that is their wish, and they are terminally ill, because it is your - but not their - religious view is wrong.

Presumably your "religious views" (or lack thereof) permit euthanasia, do they permit abortion as well? And if not, why not?

What a silly question. Abortion involves the life of someone who cannot consent. Of course it is wrong. Nice try, though.

53 posted on 11/16/2015 10:48:40 AM PST by gdani (Government surveillance - the topic no candidate dare mention)
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No. I believe using the force of Big Government to tell someone they cannot have someone assist them to terminate their life when that is their wish, and they are terminally ill, because it is your - but not their - religious view is wrong.

So, you believe that unalienable doesn't actually mean unalienable. You seem to believe in a government that is permitted to strip us of our rights for any reason at all.

What a silly question. Abortion involves the life of someone who cannot consent. Of course it is wrong. Nice try, though.

So killing is about consent and you would otherwise have no problems with abortion? How odd.

54 posted on 11/16/2015 10:53:57 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Assisted suicide is tantamount to assisted MURDER. If someone is determined to die, they can do it themselves. If they can’t do it themselves, they are in no condition to render a sound judgement from the get go. I’m not advocating that anyone should ever do this, as life is a gift from God. I am merely pointing out the inherent foolishness of so-called “assisted suicide”


55 posted on 11/16/2015 11:04:17 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) since Nov 2014 (GOPe is that easy to read))
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No. I believe using the force of Big Government to tell someone they cannot have someone assist them to terminate their life when that is their wish, and they are terminally ill, because it is your - but not their - religious view is wrong.

If there is no longer an understanding that the right to life is God-given and therefore unalienable, and that all innocent persons must be protected equally in their supreme unalienable right, the right to live, there is no longer any check on Big Government. At that point any barbarity is possible.

By the way, I note that you continue to ignore the actual meaning of the word unalienable.

56 posted on 11/16/2015 11:08:23 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: wagglebee

Well even psycho Killers need a J O B:-)


57 posted on 11/16/2015 11:15:54 AM PST by Harpotoo
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Look at europe where “assisted suicide” became euthanasia against the patients will.

Which is exactly what will happen here.


58 posted on 11/16/2015 11:39:24 AM PST by GeronL
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We are increasingly becoming a society when the "solution" to any perceived "problem" is to just kill it.
59 posted on 11/16/2015 11:43:43 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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sadly, yes


60 posted on 11/16/2015 11:49:28 AM PST by GeronL
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