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Putin still has his Communist Party card, likes socialist ideals
France24 ^ | January 25, 2016

Posted on 01/27/2016 12:39:27 PM PST by GodGunsGuts

Putin still has his Communist Party card, likes socialist ideals

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday revealed he has kept his USSR Communist Party membership card, and still has a soft spot for socialist ideals.

"I didn't throw out my party card, I didn't burn it," said Putin, a former KGB agent in East Germany, at a meeting with supporters, quoted by Interfax news agency. "My card is lying round somewhere."

To older Russians, holding onto a Soviet Communist party card -- once compulsory for top officials -- shows a degree of nostalgia for the previous regime.

"I wasn't a party member through necessity. I can't say I was totally an ideological Communist but I did really treasure it (the card)," said Putin, pointing out that he served for nearly 20 years in the "armed wing of the party".

Putin -- who has revived some Soviet traditions and state controls over his years ruling Russia -- said that he still "really likes" the ideals of communism, even if they were not implemented properly by Soviet leaders.

"I still really like the communist and socialist ideas," he said, calling these "very like the Bible."

"They are good ideas -- equality, brotherhood, happiness, but the practical embodiment of these great ideas in our country was far from what the Socialist Utopians came up with."

He criticised the regime of communist revolutionary Vladimir Lenin for murdering the ex-tsar Nicholas II and his family, servants and doctors in 1918 in "mass repressions."

Putin also criticised Lenin for backing killings of members of the bourgeoisie and priests.

The Russian leader gave a vague answer to a question on the possible burial of Lenin, still lying in the Red Square mausoleum -- a step that would outrage many communists.

"As for burial and other questions like this, you know, I think that we need to approach this cautiously, to avoid steps that would divide our society," said Putin. "On the contrary, we need to bring it closer together."

It was the second time Putin -- whose rule has seen an elite around him amass vast fortunes -- has mentioned Lenin in a week.

Last week he suggested Lenin's ideology was like an "atom bomb" that eventually led to the fall of the Soviet Union, explaining this was because Lenin allowed the republics the right to leave the USSR.

Putin has called the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 a "tragedy."

A 2012 poll by independent polling centre Levada found that 25 percent thought Lenin's body should stay in the mausoleum, while 53 percent thought he should be buried.

Another poll by Levada in 2015 found only five percent thought Lenin's ideas would influence people in the future.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: communist; communistparty; cpsu; fsb; kgb; putin; rop; socialism; thecommunist

1 posted on 01/27/2016 12:39:27 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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2 posted on 01/27/2016 12:42:04 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Free Republic Caucus: vote daily / watch for the thread / Starts 01/20 midnight to midnight EST)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Bernie still carries his, too.


3 posted on 01/27/2016 12:43:01 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Liberals are the Taliban of America, trying to tear down any symbol that they don't like.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Putin has called the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 a "tragedy." ...
What he called it was “the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the (20th) Century”. There can only be one reason for calling it that, and it is all about anti-Americanism.
4 posted on 01/27/2016 12:44:09 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: GodGunsGuts
pointing out that he served for nearly 20 years in the "armed wing of the party".

As a colonel in the KGB.

5 posted on 01/27/2016 12:44:44 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi (NOPe to GOPe)
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To: GodGunsGuts

I wish Putin had not assassinated Khaddafi and turned Libya into a jihadi playground, or he should not have tried to install the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and start a civil war and Christian pogram there.

Putin also should not have worked with the Saudis and Turks to supply arms to “moderate” muslim gangs in Syria, which was the excuse for 2 million muslims going to Europe.

Oh wait a minute - I’m thinking of another, more powerful America-hater. Sorry.


6 posted on 01/27/2016 12:51:15 PM PST by PGR88
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To: GodGunsGuts
“I still really like the communist and socialist ideas,” he said, calling these “very like the Bible.”

“They are good ideas — equality, brotherhood, happiness, but the practical embodiment of these great ideas in our country was far from what the Socialist Utopians came up with.” …
So “abolition of the family” is “very like the Bible”?? How about Marx’s calling money the Jews’ real god??
7 posted on 01/27/2016 12:52:20 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: GodGunsGuts

A Communist doesn’t criticize the secular Communist god Lenin - his methods, intentions or policies.

Putin admits that while he spent a good part of his life in the party, he never saw its ideals put into practice in the Soviet time.

And a Communist didn’t hang out with democratic reformers like Leningrad’s Anatoly Sobchak in early 1990s.

There is not much to said about the Soviet period because Communism was the god that failed.

No one in Russia mourns its demise.


8 posted on 01/27/2016 1:15:57 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: PGR88

Came for a Russian tu quoque logical fallacy. Left satisfied.


9 posted on 01/27/2016 1:19:39 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: goldstategop

Sure they do, disavow in all moral rules allows them to do pursue any strategy to victory that they please:

“Karl Marx and V.I. Lenin are widely known as the founders of Communism. However, not everyone who professes the ideology of Marx and Lenin is a true Communist. Lenin himself defined Communism as an international organization, akin to the Mafia, whose members would constitute an elite corps of professional revolutionaries.40 As he described it in 1902, “In form such a strong revolutionary organization in an autocratic country may also be described as a ‘conspiratorial’ organization… such an organization must have the utmost secrecy.”41 Shortly after seizing control of Russia in 1917, Lenin revealed the secret of Communist success in a booklet, declaring that “The Bolsheviks could not have maintained themselves in power... unless the strictest, truly iron discipline prevailed in our Party.”42 Naive believers in Marxist ideology are constantly purged from the Party, for the organization can rely only on those people blindly willing to obey orders.43 Communism explicitly disavows all moral rules, and its members must constantly shift tactics, sometimes even carry out seemingly anti-
-Marxist actions, as its leadership adapts the revolution to changing circumstances.44 Thus Communists possess the fanatic discipline needed to carry out deception on a scale beyond the imagination of most outsiders, including staging their own alleged “collapse.”


10 posted on 01/27/2016 1:34:23 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
While he amasses a fortune and vacations at his opulent villa. Anyone who would defend Communism put the end to my hope that we could be on friendly terms with the Russians.

It wasn't like that in the bible, Jesus said to some Jews, "ye are of your father, the devil", and communism has caused more misery in the world than any other system.

11 posted on 01/27/2016 1:37:11 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Aliska

Socialist Utopianism is that just that - a flight of fancy.

In reality, the Soviet Union was a repressive dystopia.

Which belied the beautiful ideals professed by the ruling ideology.


12 posted on 01/27/2016 1:45:50 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: 1rudeboy

And I read these posts to see how the cold war lives on in the hearts of some, 25 years after it ended. Who knew that Russia was a perpetual enemy and completely irredeemable?


13 posted on 01/27/2016 2:06:08 PM PST by PGR88
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To: goldstategop; PGR88
We had experiments with utopian communities in the US during the 18th century. They didn't last except some morphed into something else and yet exist, such as the Amana colonies.

I was quite taken with the Walden books (the modern ones) and am glad that I didn't get caught up in it. I think the hippies communal movements and occupy today were based on communist ideals. When you said "beautiful ideals", I didn't understand what could be beautiful about any of it.

PGR88, I lived through the cold war, maybe my friends were shielded from it, but I was aware of most of what was going on. I had high hopes after the "fall" of communism, and did until I read a couple days ago about Putin.

14 posted on 01/27/2016 3:02:40 PM PST by Aliska
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To: PGR88

Well, seeing that the Russians themselves admit the Cold War is still on, and act accordingly, what also hasn’t changed is what their tools in the West say.


15 posted on 01/27/2016 4:02:09 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

And why is the cold war still on?


16 posted on 01/27/2016 4:16:13 PM PST by PGR88
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To: goldstategop
Clearly Putin is saying he liked Communism's ideals in theory but in practice it was a horror show of a failure.

Something many conservative have said for years - especially the part that socialism only works when its in a small voluntary enterprise like a church operation or small country in Europe.

17 posted on 02/01/2016 12:49:27 PM PST by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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