Posted on 02/22/2016 1:46:57 AM PST by Helicondelta
I don’t know what part of “repeal Obamacare” these anti-Trump people don’t get.
And further, their anti-Trump mania seems to be clouding their judgement with regard to the reality that, in America, poor people and homeless people can walk into the ER and get treated, get surgery that costs 10’s of thousands of dollars even, and SOMEONE has to pay for it. It’s always been that way, and traditionally, the cost gets passed on to the consumer and that’s why an aspirin is $50 at the hospital. THAT is socialism too, whether it’s government doing it or a not-so-free part of the free market. At this point, every solution we’ve ever had for that problem has been socialism, and now there’s actual government bureaucracy and freebies of Obamacare on top of everything, so any solution that starts off with “repeal Obamacare” is already a reduction of socialism.
I’m open to suggestions on how to handle this in a way that strengthens the free market, and I’m sure there are solutions that can work once we get rid of the abomination that is Obamacare as a starting point.
He was specifically asked about the diligent when he responded that the government is going to take care of it, and he was specifically asked about the requirement for insurance companies to cover those with pre-existing conditions when he said he liked the mandate.
The press, opponents, and too many Freepers twist those responses to mmisrepresent his positions.
It is reprehensible.
The Donald is going to pown Cruz on the issue of his underhanded campaign work.
Its just a matter of timing.
Simply put Trump has said repeatedly that he did not want people dying in the streets. This is a unifying sentiment, not one that divides people.
You will see this as a common thread in the Trump campaign. He takes positions that unify America while Rubio and Cruz take positions which divide America.
This is but one of many reasons that Trump is doing well.
Talk about twising, I didn’t say anything about the mandate to you.
Here’s the quotes on the “government’s gonna pay” and it had nothing to do a “mandate”.
TRUMP: “Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, ‘No, no, the lower 25 percent that can’t afford private. But- “
PELLEY: “Universal health care.”
TRUMP: “I am going to take care of everybody. I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.”
PELLEY: “The uninsured person is going to be taken care of. How? How?”
TRUMP: “They’re going to be taken care of. I would make a deal with existing hospitals to take care of people. And, you know what, if this is probably”
PELLEY: “Make a deal? Who pays for it?”
TRUMP: “The government’s gonna pay for it. But we’re going to save so much money on the other side. But for the most it’s going to be a private plan and people are going to be able to go out and negotiate great plans with lots of different competition with lots of competitors with great companies and they can have their doctors, they can have plans, they can have everything.”
The above is verbatim what Trump said in 2015. It is plain English and is pretty clear. He’s dead clear that it wasn’t about existing conditions but about the 25% “that can’t afford it”.
It is universal health care period. The only real difference between Bernie’s plan and Trump’s is the specifics of how the money is going to be extracted from the public to pay for it all.
You’re the one doing all the twisting and it is reprehensible.
BS.
Nobody was “dying in the streets” before Obama care and that was never the claimed reason for any of it.
Post #25 has exactly what Trump said about his “plan” and it isn’t what you claim.
And Cruz is dead right in the claim about Trump’s “plan” being essentially Bernie’s plan.
Sounds like Mr. Trump and his supporters have some splaining to do? Eh?
Of course we agree
The market solution to taking care of the poor is lowering the cost of access to health care for the poor.
You lower the cost by getting government mostly out of health care. Endless regulation, endless make work documentation, trial lawyers with its defensive medicine, etc.
Market solutions don’t include “the government’s gonna pay for it”.
Nothing is quite as expensive as “free stuff”.
No, no, and no.
Bernie’s plan does not primarily depend upon free market solutions, such as interstate competition and greater use of health savings accounts.
Oh, and I’m not a Trump apologist.
Eg, I acknowledge that he very unfortunately favors a touchback amnesty.
Lie of omission the way Ted told it. He does it a lot.
Lie of omission;
“Also known as a continuing misrepresentation, a lie by omission occurs when an important fact is left out in order to foster a misconception. Lying by omission includes failures to correct pre-existing misconceptions.”
“It is reprehensible.”
Yes. Lies of omission are worse than the straight up kind.
Universal coverage doesn’t care about state boundaries. Boundaries are meaningless at that point. Bernie’s going to “make a deal” with the hospitals too...
Savings accounts etc are all noise. Someone is going to pay for the 25% Trump says he’s going to cover with the government paying. One way or another that will be extracted from those who actually do pay for their health care.
You are lost in the trees and can’t see the forest.
If you want to improve the poor’s access to health care, lower the cost of providing it. Giving them “free” insurance won’t do that.
What lie of omission. I quoted you Trump’s words that had nothing to do with Cruz.
That probably shows some bias in the reader...
Not that bias and humor are mutually exclusive.
Not a single thing of substance in your reply. Zip.
Humor is in the eye of the beholder. I was being “funny” too.
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