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What a Trump Nomination Means for Conservatives
Townhall.com ^ | March 17, 2016 | Ben Shapiro

Posted on 03/17/2016 10:05:10 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin

Isn’t this the same guy who lied about Corey Lewandowski?


21 posted on 03/17/2016 10:18:08 AM PDT by Dana1960
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To: Kaslin
Is anyone else sick of the parsing of c-o-n-s-e-r-v-a-t-i-v-e? They sit in their armchairs and write their books and their articles, and then kick the butts of anyone that actually p-r-a-c-t-i-c-e-s it!
22 posted on 03/17/2016 10:18:32 AM PDT by georgiegirl
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To: Nifster
Then he ought to find an unbelieving objectivist to lead the way. Ben is stuck in his teen years.

So many of these "young guns" are stuck in their teen years, and haven't fully reached adulthood.

23 posted on 03/17/2016 10:18:36 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Mississippi! My vote is going to Cruz.)
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To: central_va

Thanks!


24 posted on 03/17/2016 10:18:46 AM PDT by AuntB (Trump right on Trade, Immigration, Terrorism,Economy, 2nd amend. Without them, we are lost.)
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To: Kaslin

Shapiro is another dumb ass that can’t seem to realize that if we don’t bring to an immediate halt the destruction wreaked on this country by the Worst President In American History and his miserable party, THERE WILL BE NO COUNTRY LEFT TO REBUILD CONSERVATISM IN. GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL SHAPIRO!

Get behind Trump, defeat Hillary, close the borders, and BRING OUR ******* JOBS, SOLDIERS, AND CAPITAL BACK FROM OVERSEAS!


25 posted on 03/17/2016 10:19:05 AM PDT by TTFlyer
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To: Kaslin

With Trump, it means victory in November.
With Cruz it means likely defeat.


26 posted on 03/17/2016 10:19:19 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: Kaslin

Does this d-bag Shapiro actually expect people to take him seriously anymore?? Esp. with an anti-Trump article??


27 posted on 03/17/2016 10:19:32 AM PDT by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: Kaslin

Underlying theme to this little twerps story: Trump supports are dumb and need to be more informed. FUBS.


28 posted on 03/17/2016 10:19:44 AM PDT by stratboy
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To: Kaslin

Bush, ‘First I’ll finish the border’ Kasich and Christie ALL stated, repeatedly, that they are conservatives.

They are all liars.


29 posted on 03/17/2016 10:19:49 AM PDT by BBB333 (Q: Which is grammatically correct? Joe Biden IS or Joe Biden ARE an idiot?)
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To: euram

The essence of Conservatism is Nationalism, which has long ceased to be part of “Conservatism.”


30 posted on 03/17/2016 10:20:14 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: skeeter

Exactly.


31 posted on 03/17/2016 10:21:36 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: Kaslin; wardaddy; LS; Lazamataz; Pelham
An insulting, misrepresentation, both of what Donald Trump represents, and how Conservatives have responded to the Leftist cultural takeover. Yet more relevant, the writer suggests that this election is somehow less important than his theoretical approach to Conservatism.

If we lose this election to those who want amnesty, and open borders, without an 180 degree change in our immigration policy and other policies, the demographic changes in the voting base will effectively drown out any useful effect from the writer's proposals.

Does the writer believe that the mistakes made, which led to the destruction of Rome could have been reversed by simply trying to reason with the invading Barbarians?

To understand why Trump is a natural Conservative, see:

Trump: Metaphor For American Conservatism.

32 posted on 03/17/2016 10:21:57 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Kaslin

Oh boy, Shapiro. No way Jose am I going to read his screed.


33 posted on 03/17/2016 10:22:04 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Kaslin
He's a protectionist on trade -- a position that smacks of populist pandering rather than informed conservative economics.


34 posted on 03/17/2016 10:23:00 AM PDT by nhwingut (Trump-Palin 2016 - Blow Up The GOP)
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To: Kaslin

“Which means conservatives have failed.”

I would add that we’ve been bludgeoned to death as well by Trump’s successful blitzkrieg of anger and ridicule. The crony capitalist dream of protectionism in trade has replaced any desire to massively reduce government by bureaucracy and regulations and a reduction in corporate taxes to allow competition both domestically and in trade. We have succumbed to the “get things done now” lie of authoritarian leadership.


35 posted on 03/17/2016 10:23:15 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim, what exactly is the nation that we are saving?


36 posted on 03/17/2016 10:26:33 AM PDT by Dead Dog (J.)
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To: Kaslin
So, young Ben has resurfaced after his hissy fit at Brietbart, and still singing the same anti-Trump tune.

His idea of conservatism is a non-seller.

He has no concept of what Obama and the GOPe (in conjunction) has done to the middleclass and so cannot understand that an appeal to "conservatives" is pointless now. They stand for nothing!

He may as well go completely incognito and start writing for National Review.

37 posted on 03/17/2016 10:27:32 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: Kaslin

I am of the opinion that the GOP has re-organized or consentrated into 3 large camps:

Conservatives with about 20% of the base and is growing.

GOPe who have been in power but are now declining, also about 20%.

The “dissatisfied” movement who are republicans who are basically pissed off at the Dems AND THE GOP. They dont like the GOPe because of perceived failure to live up to promises. This is composed of a diverse mix of everything that is not in the prior two camps. Trump has successfully read this dissatisfaction and is giving this group a candidate to support.

All three represent about 80% of the party in total. The remaining 20 percent is smaller groups of everything from libertarians to social conservatives, and single issue voters.

The GOPe for a long time has been in power and they dont like the idea of loosing that power to an outsider / upstart. That is why they have been fighting so hard against conservatives and the Tea Party.

Most conservatives that I have talked to do not like Trump because there are several positions that he has taken that do not align with the conservative agenda. However, because he is not the GOPe candidate, he tends to be someone they can hold their nose for and support in the General election.

So my reading of the tea leaves looks like this.
- If Trump wins the nomination, the conservatives will reluctantly support. Their enthusiasm will depend on how Cruz is treated after the nomination. If Cruz is in the VP, Attorney General or slotted for the SCOTUS, there will be much conservative support. The GOPe, will tend to split. Some will hold their nose, others not so much. Trump’s populism may be enough to bring Independent voters to the polls by a large enough margin to make up for the lack of GOPe support.

- If Cruz wins the nomination, the dissatisfied voters can support him but the enthusiasm may not be there. The GOP will fight against a Cruz nomination. He MIGHT also win the General IF Trump acknowledges and supports him. Tough to win if your party is opposing you.

- If anyone OTHER than Trump or Cruz wins the GOP nomination, the GOPe will support that candidate BUT FEW, IF ANYONE ELSE WILL. There will not be a “hold your nose” and support the nominee. IOW, the GOP gets shellacked in the general. I can even see a Trump/Cruz independent ticket that significantly beats the GOP but might not win the General


38 posted on 03/17/2016 10:28:17 AM PDT by taxcontrol ( The GOPe treats the conservative base like slaves by taking their votes and refuses to pay)
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To: Kaslin
While the left took over the public education system wholesale, the right fled to private schools and homeschooling.

Utter nonsense. Those with money fled to private schools, you can't just lay that on "the right."

The teachers in our school district are used to working with parents, because we stay very involved with our children. When I find out a teacher is spewing BS, I go have a talk with them. I keep it friendly, i.e. "I heard you are teaching the class in this manner..."

My youngest son (14) is now my only child in school, and he knows I will back him if he challenges his teacher. It happens rarely, but we keep it civil and respectful. I also talk with a brother-in-law who teaches at the same school, and I've nudged him away from the "dark side"...lol.

Last year, I was over at his house, and we watched Part I of Atlas Shrugged. I was there to explain the subtext to the story. He enjoyed it so much, he pulled ASII off Netflix. He gets it.

39 posted on 03/17/2016 10:28:33 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Mississippi! My vote is going to Cruz.)
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To: Kaslin

Look the GOPe use conservatism as a campaign message. Its not their values. They like to attack the front runners as not being perfect enough. Then they get their least perfect candidate in there. Notice how he is asking us to sacrifice the front runner for the sake of educating people. Really!!!
They have done that in the last several campaigns that is how we ended up with Dole, Bush, McCain, and Romney. While they like to pit us against the less than perfect front runner, their real goal is to slide in a very far from perfect elite candidate.

What we need is a winner. And we have only had one GOPe winner in the past 4 presidencies, and that was because we thought he was a conservative, he ran as one and then spent our way into a vast hole. We have the house and the senate, with the presidency we have a chance. That’s why the democrats are going crazy. Trump is getting more votes cast for him than any other candidate on either side of the aisle.


40 posted on 03/17/2016 10:29:29 AM PDT by poinq
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