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To: tinyowl; V K Lee
For a small creature, you're got a big mind :-)

One key take away from your comment that resonated for me was:

    ...All genius at it's base is the same ... it's a product of order, with a slight conscious violation of that order, that then returns to the order.

We could have a very long discussion on that one!  The brain is organized to filter information so we only notice things that break the stereotypes we've previously stored.  If it weren't that way, our brains would overload.

The human mind apparently hungers for the new and fresh.

I posted a couple of weird posts on FR where the pictures violated the established "order" and I got some good comments.

Trumpazine's Secret Revealed
Titanic GOP Elite Liner Sinks After Collision with Trump

Your theory explains a lot, I think.

30 posted on 03/19/2016 1:18:33 PM PDT by poconopundit (When the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government. Franklin, Const. Conv.)
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To: poconopundit
You said the brain is programmed to filter out what doesn't meet it's stereotypes / pre-existing patterns.

I saw a very interesting demonstration regarding the particle/wave war about light, that proposed that it's not just a one way thing - where light is racing towards what it approaches, but that there is an equal .... pushing of pulling ... from the receiving end. This I think explains why some perceive that faith itself creates God. Actually, they arise simultaneously, are no different. The mind pushes-pulling as much as things come into it. Same as the Buddha saying 'the nature of the universe is created by the mind alone.' Everything arises simultaneously. It's not that everything is one, it's that nothing is separated.

But ... back to math and music -> here's one you'll recognize, there are a thousand examples of this, but certain songs that everyone knows demonstrate it. They are usually songs that people can't get out of their minds (whether that makes them happy or not).

Whiter Shade of Pale (I happened to watch the Commitments at neighbors house for a St. Patty's day get together. It's not my favorite song but it's a good demonstration -> here's why it's so catchy and seems to flow so easily from chord to chord.)

Keep in mind that a simple scale in C has C, D, E, F, G, A, B ... and C again. represented by roman numerals I through VII. Notice the movement up of 4ths ... and keep in mind that these scales ... the next C above C is always twice the number of beats per second ... middle A is 440 beats per second, the next A is 880 etc. 4th and 5ths are 2 to 3 and 3 to 4 ratio's ... so even at its very base ... it's all very very simple math building blocks. Our ears like it that way ... upon birth.

To 'hear' this ... just read left to right, give each chord about 2 seconds ...

I . . .                  iii . . .           vi . . .             I
                      we danced the light fandango

I, iii, vi, I
IV, vi, ii, IV
V, vii/5, iii, V

So that's
1 ... up 3 up 4 up 3 up 4 to
4 ... up 3 up 4 up 3 up 2 to
5 ... up 3 up 4 up 3 up 4 back to
... 1.

So you can see that pattern - movement up 4ths (movement up a 3rd ... the ear hears as 'stationary' but shifting, and then remember that all blues is based on 1, 4, 5 (actually in a way everything is based on 1 to 5 to 1 ... the 4 is a passing semi-5-ish cord because it contains the 7 of the 5. So note in the left column -> 1, 4, 5))

So as if that's not pattern enough ... the base notes go ...
1, 7, 6, 5
4, 3, 2, 1
5, 4, 3, 2,

... and again notice the 1, 4, 5 going down the left row.

That's pretty much what all music does - wander around 1 to 5 to 1 ... often 1 to 4 to 5 to 1 or 1 to 4 to 5 to 4 to 1. All the 2's, 3's, 6's and 7's are heard as variations on the 1, 4 and 5.

Pretty MUCH everything else is a variation on that, structurally. It's kind of like a square is the basis of a floor .. and walls and ceiling and then a cube is the basis of a room, but also the basis of a building ... or/and then an apartment complex. Our mind's find harmony in those shapes but coincidentally they also happen to work well with math and work well when 'making things' that are both useful and aesthetically pleasing.

But then with music you have all this occurring over time, so it's like moving math ... walking through an equation.

Totally cool! Beethoven loved this sh*t, probably drove him crazy at times and made him miserable, but ... drove his life, made him very connected to life directly ... he would have understood 'God' even if no one had told him about It.

As for Trumpazine and the Titanic -
Trumpazine - the first 4 or 5 comments are classic. I think as an artist, you should hope to hear that for 9 out of 10 of the things you do, then maybe one you get the same strength of reaction but they get it. Titanic - sweet visual of Trump's face as glacier. I would think a paper would pick that up - no? It has the same effect and makes the point as well as the super popular Trump=as=brick-wall image ...


33 posted on 03/21/2016 6:57:49 PM PDT by tinyowl (A equals A)
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