How Ted Cruz could win Colorado’s delegates even before the state convention

The Colorado Independent ^ | 4/5/16 | Corey Hutchins

[fortheDeclaration]

The GOPe tried running a bunch of their candidates and they were crushed so they had to turn to Cruz!

And they are keeping in Kasich as a chance for them to steal the nomination from both Trump and Cruz!

[fortheDeclaration]

So, if Kasich is chosen at the convention, will Cruz supporters support him?

[fortheDeclaration]

So, let me ask a question of Cruz supporters, what happens if Kasich wins the nomination at the convention and not Cruz?

[fortheDeclaration]

I think all primaries should be on the same day.

But if you are Cruz supporter, what good is your vote if he can't win the nomination?

[Dr. Sivana]

When you have multiple candidates it is hard for anyone to get over 50%!

Cruz didn't get over 50% in his own State, nor did Kasich, if I remember correctly.

Agreed, so when there are multiple candidates, it is important that the ultimate nominee can show that he can get at least nominal support from 50%. Otherwise, you risk having a candidate that only represents the interests of a smallish part of the party. We don't know what would have happened in Georgia or South Carolina if it were just Trump, Kasich and Cruz. Trump's his own animal so he generally didn't have to divvy up his votes, whereas Carson dug hard into Cruz' count. There also has to be a fallback position in case Trump really DID shoot someone on Fifth Ave, or Heaven forbid, something happened to him. Same with any of them.

Speaking for myself, I would choose Trump over a GOP-E candidate dropped from the sky in the event that I am a delegate, but the rules have been in writing for years, and a smart candidate plays the whole game, not just the first section. Stone warned Trump about this back in August or so, and Trump decided to brush that off (and I rarely side with Stone's judgment). If Trump does win the nominatin, which is still likely, I want him to run better mechanics on the general election campaign. Dems exploit those kinds of weaknesses.

[Dr. Sivana]

So, if Kasich is chosen at the convention, will Cruz supporters support him?

I'd have to see how it got there. Chances are I'd be hopping mad, as the chicanery to rout both Trump and Cruz delegates is something I cannot imagine. Together we have well over 70% of the delgates. If the question is, would I vote for Kasich over Hillary Rodham Clinton in the general election. Yes. Kasich, bad as he is, is better than Romney ever dreamed of being. I'd support Trump over Kasich if Cruz were knocked out. Most Cruz supporters would.

[JPX2011]

I think all primaries should be on the same day.

I don't know about this. In order to hold primaries on the same day would require some sort of federal regulation of the party nomination process which would further erode the principle of federalism. I like the politics of the local.

Now I will grant that as a Californian that I'm whining a bit since our primary comes at the tail end of the process and usually by the time it rolls around the candidate decisions have been made in other states and regions of the country. But I would much rather that decision is made through the mechanisms of the party and not the government. To me that is the more conservative approach.

But if you are Cruz supporter, what good is your vote if he can't win the nomination?

The good it does is that it affords me the opportunity to vote my conscience. Which is a good in itself. And as has been pointed out the likelihood that the winner of the nomination will be decided in Cleveland is growing more likely as time goes on.

The rule has been set by the party. 1,237 delegates are necessary for the nomination. If Trump achieves that before the convention or at the first ballot then that's fine. But if he doesn't then there has to be a mechanism in place to adjudicate the winner of the nomination. That includes multiple ballots, unbound delegates etc.

And Cruz, using the rules of the party is setting up a prevent defense for a potential win on a second ballot. That is a legitimate path to the nomination. I don't have a problem with that. I mean it would be one thing if Cruz was telling delegates who are pledged to Trump by law and party rule to vote for him on the first ballot. But he isn't doing that. That would be a legitimate case of 'stealing'. But that's not what is happening.

So, based on that I do believe a Cruz vote in California is a good, in itself for the voter to vote their conscience and because there is a legitimate path to the nomination. Everything else is soft rhetoric.

[fortheDeclaration]

So, if Kasich wins at the convention you have no problem with that either?

[JPX2011]

So, if Kasich wins at the convention you have no problem with that either?

Nope.

[itsahoot]

Oh, please, stop crying.

If they were doing to Cruz what they are trying to do to Trump you would be having a conniption and you know it, so does everyone else.

[itsahoot]

but the rules have been in writing for years

The rules are variable and can be changed before the convention. About as stupid as variable rate mortgages. Or any other contact that can be changed at a whim.

When the GOPe emerge from their selection the people will ask; What have you given us sirs? To which the answer will be; A loser and you can keep him.

Pardon to Ben.

[itsahoot]

The good it does is that it affords me the opportunity to vote my conscience. Which is a good in itself. And as has been pointed out the likelihood that the winner of the nomination will be decided in Cleveland is growing more likely as time goes on. Not really you want other people to vote your conscience. Cruz will never be President and neither will I but I can still write in my name, feel free to do the same.

[fortheDeclaration]

So, why should we hold primaries?

Let us just go to conventions.

[trebb]

Let me hereby apologize for my candidate being smarter and better prepared than the other one. I don’t include mailman’s son here because he’s a goof and not really in the race.

Yep - I remember you saying the same thing about Romney when he and his steamrolled the candidates the People wanted.....

[2ndDivisionVet]

Romney? Are you high?

[Solson]

Smarter, better prepared, and still losing.

[trebb]

Romney? Are you high?

Nope - just making a point that what you and the rest of us hated about the GOPe/RNC/MSM shenanigans that pushed Romney to the top, are smugly satisfied with the same crap now - hypocrites anyone?

Perhaps you do remember the outrage at how the "Party" chose and selected the nominees no matter what the People wanted - no? yes? ???

[Iowa David]

Cruz will win the nomination with over 1237 delegates. Might take the second ballot, but he will be the nominee.

Trump and his campaign continue to fail to realize there are two aspects to winning the nomination, securing votes AND securing delegates.

I am amazed that possibly the smartest businessman alive can’t figure this out. Just amazing.

[dartuser]

Let me hereby apologize for my candidate being smarter and better prepared than the other one.

Since your platform and message doesn't resonate with the voters ... you need a backup plan as the second (or third) placer.

Man of God? False profit who has duped the gullible.

[deport]

I think he might have gone far in 1930s Germany or 1920s Russia.

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Don’t forget papa Cruz and his backing of Castro in Cuba during the 1950s.
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