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The sound of silence why Germany lost its subs bid (Australia)
The Australian ^ | May 30, 2016 | Cameron Stewart

Posted on 05/29/2016 10:33:49 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

It was the smallest of sounds, too soft for human ears but deemed loud enough to potentially doom an Australian submarine.

Two weeks ago, behind closed doors in a shipyard in the German port of Kiel, the secrets behind Australia’s $150 billion submarine decision were finally revealed. It was a moment that left the Germans stunned. They were told for the first time that they had lost the bid because their proposed Aust­ralian submarine had an “un­acceptable’’ level of “radiated noise’’.

In the world of submarines, noise equals potential detection and death, but when the Germans pressed the Australian officials in the room that day to explain ­further they were rebuffed. That information was classified, the Australians told them.

In a short and testy exchange, the truth became clear — France had won the largest defence ­contract in the nation’s history ­because it had best achieved the sound of silence. As a spying platform against China, and in the case of war, the proposed French ­submarine was seen to be more stealthy than those proposed by Germany or Japan.

But this is a $150bn judgment call — the construction phase is worth $50bn, with the sustainability of the submarines running to an extra $100bn over the life of the vessels — that the Germans fiercely ­contest, at least in private. It is also one that threatens to undermine ­relations with Berlin in the same way as the rejection of Japan’s bid has harmed Canberra’s ties with Tokyo.

The confidential debriefing for the failed German submarine bid took place inauspiciously on Friday the 13th this month, inside the historic Kiel shipyards.

(Excerpt) Read more at theaustralian.com.au ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: germany; ran; ssk; submarine
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An artist’s impression of the German Type 216 submarine that TKMS hoped to build for the Royal Australian Navy.

1 posted on 05/29/2016 10:33:50 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I’m curious if there was another reason for their rejection, but I don’t wish to pay for a subscription today.
France is raising a toast to celebrate their HUGE $150 Bilion Dollar contract. Australia now has both Japan and Germany mad at them. Both can be formidable as enemies when they decide to.
America wasn’t even a contender in the running.


2 posted on 05/29/2016 10:42:53 AM PDT by lee martell
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Interesting article. Here's a comparison of the competitors' proposals.


3 posted on 05/29/2016 10:43:06 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Menehune56

I am pleased the Aussies have recognized the true threat that exists from China. These boats will counter any Chinese visions of dominating the Aussies for many years.

Be it said that modern propulsion boats now being turned out by the Europeans are stealthier than any of the outdated US nuc fleet now in the water. Nucs have great staying power and range, but no longer can match tactically the newest of non-nuc designs, and are better value when the mission is tailored to their strengths.


4 posted on 05/29/2016 10:50:56 AM PDT by whistleduck ("....the calm confidence of a Christian with 4 aces".....S.)
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To: Menehune56

Are the speeds really that slow?


5 posted on 05/29/2016 10:55:11 AM PDT by Ophiucus
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Ze French hookers are ooo la la!


6 posted on 05/29/2016 10:57:02 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (wrote Harry Reid.s only biography www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

As perfidious as the French government has been over the last 50 years, would you trust a French company to build a critical defense component?


7 posted on 05/29/2016 10:58:15 AM PDT by Ophiucus
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To: sukhoi-30mki

They got das boot?


8 posted on 05/29/2016 11:01:18 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: whistleduck

Source please


9 posted on 05/29/2016 11:03:26 AM PDT by bill1952 (taxes don't hurt the rich, they keep YOU from becoming rich.)
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To: Ophiucus
...would you trust a French company to build a critical defense component?

Bingo. One would think a successful track record would matter in these expensive and critical defense procurements.

10 posted on 05/29/2016 11:04:48 AM PDT by corkoman
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To: lee martell
America wasn’t even a contender in the running.

Smart move by the Australians since US shipyards don't build diesel subs. The last time the U.S. Navy commissioned a diesel sub was 1959...

11 posted on 05/29/2016 11:04:55 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The real reason could literally have been anything. But the Aussies deliberately added insult to injury by saying it was too noisy without showing any data. That’s a real slap in the face to Germany’s submarine engineering.

I wonder if it had to do with Germany’s pro-Dhimmi positions. When one powerful country starts to support voluntary Muslim invasion and rape of its women, other powerful countries find ways of pushing back.


12 posted on 05/29/2016 11:10:53 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Menehune56

I would think France’s Sub having the capability for vertical launched cruise missiles might have been factor in selection.

Submarine silencing technology was some of the stuff Bill Clinton traded off to China and I wouldn’t really trust buying high price tagged military equipment from countries undergoing Islamification.

I wonder why there where no U.S bids? Probably because we’re not trusted either.


13 posted on 05/29/2016 11:10:58 AM PDT by Fhios (Going Donald Trump is as close to going John Galt as we'll get.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Did the French submarine achieve its silence by ejecting the prop?


14 posted on 05/29/2016 11:21:50 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (An orange jumpsuit is the new black pantsuit.)
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To: bill1952

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:P9i9-2pjNhsJ:www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/the-sound-of-silence—why-germany-lost-its-subs-bid/news-story/4b3d69b49a8371e9837ed59e4f0faac2+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


15 posted on 05/29/2016 11:22:41 AM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: DaxtonBrown

Seems more likely to me that French hookers were involved than the French building a submarine (or anything else) better than the Germans.


16 posted on 05/29/2016 11:52:43 AM PDT by Ultima
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To: sukhoi-30mki
It was all this noise........
Submarine Dive Alarms
I would think that saying "shhh! we're under attack!" would be better.
17 posted on 05/29/2016 11:55:09 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: Talisker
I wonder if it had to do with Germany’s pro-Dhimmi positions.


18 posted on 05/29/2016 11:55:26 AM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: Gunslingr3

Sure they are silent but when they have to recharge the batteries they are very vulnerable. SSN and SSBN have battery back up where they can go silent just enough to get away from you and restart the power when safe.
With diesel they know soon enough you must come to periscope depth and recharge the batteries.


19 posted on 05/29/2016 11:55:31 AM PDT by Undecided 2012
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To: Larry Lucido

lol


20 posted on 05/29/2016 12:12:08 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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