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Contradicting Trump,Mex pres says he made it clear Mexico will not pay wall [LA Times Caught lying]
Los Anlgeles Times ^ | Aug 31, 2016

Posted on 08/31/2016 7:27:42 PM PDT by NoLibZone

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To: Irish Eyes
Cut off the foreign aid we give to Mexico. Stop benefits and welfare to illegals in the US.

That would make a start with the wall.

How is that getting Mexico to pay for the wall?

61 posted on 09/01/2016 6:05:32 AM PDT by Lower Deck
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To: Jim 0216

“Meanwhile, the truth of the matter is we the American people will end up paying for the wall though higher tariffs and prices on imported goods.”

I keep asking this question, maybe you can explain it: Why, if tariffs cripple an economy, every other country in the world maintains theirs?

Why don’t all the countries get together and joyfully shred every tariff law on the books if such laws are so bad for their respective countries?

Are tariff laws only bad for the people of the United States alone?

Most of the populations of other countries don’t have the disposable income to buy American products.


62 posted on 09/01/2016 6:58:13 AM PDT by odawg
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To: JoSixChip

“Profit margins”, driven down by the feds, are what is driving business out of this country.

Explain how profit margins keep Nabisco from moving out by putting tariffs on Carrier air conditioners.


63 posted on 09/01/2016 7:54:58 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Mollypitcher1

Trump is basing his projections of Mexico “paying” for the wall by expecting enough import tariffs which American distributors and consumers will actually pay.


64 posted on 09/01/2016 8:04:18 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: NoLibZone

They do not need to send money. We send $hundreds of millions in foreign aid to Mexico. Trump could just say “All that foreign aid you are used to getting? All of it will go to the Wall, instead”.

Thus, effectively, the money would come out of Mexico’s pocket, whether they like it or not.


65 posted on 09/01/2016 8:09:03 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: JPJones

I’ve thought about it more than you have my FRiend. I am an advocate of the free market economy because it works. Sending up who’s for and who’s against does not move me in the slightest. I couldn’t care less who’s for it and who’s against it. There’s a lot of people out there who are confused about economics and specifically how the free market economy is freedom in action. The market economy, free of government interference, is how America became the strongest, wealthiest, greatest nation on earth.

Let’s get down to specifics:

How do tariffs on Carrier air conditioners imported from Mexico keep Nabisco from moving out of our country?


66 posted on 09/01/2016 8:30:35 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: odawg
Why, if tariffs cripple an economy, every other country in the world maintains theirs?

In simple terms, because they are as confused as we are. Protectionist tariffs are like shooting yourself in the foot. It penalizes the consumers of the country putting up the tariffs by forcing them to pay more for the same product. The idea of of economic retaliation by putting up tariffs is like saying, "Well if you shoot yourself in the foot, so will I". Really dumb.

67 posted on 09/01/2016 8:35:12 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: NoLibZone

If this is all the anti-Trump msm has then, they have nothing.

Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill, what did the media expect, that the Mex Prez would volunteer to pay??

UGH, I despise the corrupt media.


68 posted on 09/01/2016 8:37:13 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: JPJones
Tariffs, and ONLY tariffs, are supposed to be the primary source of all fedgov revenue.

That would be easy if government were restricted to the size, scope, power and cost actually authorized in the Constitution.

69 posted on 09/01/2016 8:40:15 AM PDT by NorthMountain (Hillary Clinton: corrupt unreliable negligent traitor)
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To: Jim 0216

“I’ve thought about it more than you have my FRiend. I am an advocate of the free market economy because it works.”

You need to think on it some more, you’re confusing freemarkets here in the US with freetrade abroad.

“The market economy, free of government interference, is how America became the strongest, wealthiest, greatest nation on earth.”

So how do you explain George Washington’s tariff, the ensuing shipbuilding boom in the US and the exponential growth of US maritime from there?

“Let’s get down to specifics:

How do tariffs on Carrier air conditioners imported from Mexico keep Nabisco from moving out of our country?”

How does allowing every country in the world to sell here, while they disallowing our MANUFACTURED products, help keep us the “strongest economy in the worldl”?


70 posted on 09/01/2016 8:49:37 AM PDT by JPJones
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To: Jim 0216

“It penalizes the consumers of the country putting up the tariffs by forcing them to pay more for the same product. “

It rewards domestic production, which creates jobs and general prosperity.


71 posted on 09/01/2016 8:51:30 AM PDT by JPJones
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To: Jim 0216

You mean, after all these centuries, yes, millennia, with trillions of dollars at stake, all these financiers can’t understand what you think you understand and is so simple for you to grasp?


72 posted on 09/01/2016 9:18:44 AM PDT by odawg
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To: JPJones

You, as Trump, are advocating tariffs as answer to business fleeing our country. So again I ask you,

How do tariffs on Carrier air conditioners imported from Mexico keep Nabisco from moving out of our country?


73 posted on 09/01/2016 9:26:38 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216

It’s nice to know that you have a crystal ball which shows you Trump’s planning and thinking. I expect Trump to use a multitude of approaches to pay for the wall which will in no way be onerous to anyone. Beside all that, why is Mexico allowed high taxes on cars and refrigerators among other things, but America isn’t allowed a tariff? You are EXTREMELY
limited in your understanding of how successful economies work. Limited thinking is soooooo tiresome. Try to find some other soapbox.


74 posted on 09/01/2016 9:29:48 AM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: odawg

Financiers are not necessarily interested in maintaining a free market economy because that would mean more competition for them. They are the “establishment” that like the status quo. Special interests are very big on government interference to help them. Same as it ever was. The free market helps everyone but especially the little guy, the average American, and those wanting the opportunity to start their own business. The free market is the enemy of the unions, the special interests, and government.


75 posted on 09/01/2016 9:32:16 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216

The discussion was about tariffs, not free markets. Free market labor in the United States, with its emphasis on humanitarianism and the resulting legally binding and sometimes costly restrictions necessary to enforce the principle, cannot compete with other countries that virtually employ slave labor which dramatically lowers cost.


76 posted on 09/01/2016 9:37:15 AM PDT by odawg
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To: odawg

Also, keep in mind that most of the history of the world is a story of oppression, not freedom. Very few periods in the long, sad history of man have seen a society that was actually free. America in the 1800’s is such an example. America is truly an exceptional nation.


77 posted on 09/01/2016 9:37:17 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Mollypitcher1

Maybe you weren’t paying attention, but Trump’s main point all along about paying for the wall has been through charging tariffs. Other than that, you don’t seem to know what you’re talking about.


78 posted on 09/01/2016 9:43:47 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: odawg

Tariffs are interference with the market economy. The free market economy is defined as the market economy FREE from government interference. So when you are talking about tariffs, you ARE talking about interference in the market economy.

I thought you’re initial reply was a good-faith question sincerely looking for some input from me. But now it appears all you want to do is argue a point you’ve already settled on.


79 posted on 09/01/2016 9:47:53 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216

“I thought you’re initial reply was a good-faith question sincerely looking for some input from me.”

It was a good faith question which you did not answer.

“But now it appears all you want to do is argue a point you’ve already settled on.”

Who settled your point as default, you? Since I disagree, I am the one who wants to argue.

That is not the way reality is. There are plenty of accomplished individuals who would not agree that your point has been settled.


80 posted on 09/01/2016 10:32:14 AM PDT by odawg
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