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The Times, The Post, and the Fake News of Internment Camps
NewsBusters.org ^ | November 20, 2016 | Jeffrey Lord

Posted on 11/20/2016 6:00:46 PM PST by Kaslin

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To: Hugin
I don't doubt race was a factor, but was it "quite decidedly racist"?

Most people don't realize we also interned some German- and Italian-Americans during WWII.

http://www.thc.texas.gov/preserve/projects-and-programs/military-history/texas-world-war-ii/japanese-german-and-italian
21 posted on 11/20/2016 8:49:17 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: Roger Kaputnik

Glad I dont work near her office :)

Where did Fox find her?

She’s a big reason I stopped watching the entire channel.


22 posted on 11/20/2016 9:55:49 PM PST by dp0622 (IThe only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: willk

Agree. It was incredibly stupid to say that the Japanese internment was precedent to anything. Japanese internment was a cynical political move by FDR; even J. Edgar Hoover opposed it. Ronald Reagan formally denounced it. The instant Higbie mentioned it as a precedent for a Muslim registry I knew that it would be misconstrued. Conservatives should be able to relate when they consider how well they react to calls for a national gun registry.

Whether Trump’s people like it or not, there are minorities who fear his presidency. His spokespeople should go to great lengths to avoid saying anything that could be construed as confirming their fears.


23 posted on 11/20/2016 10:59:11 PM PST by Skepolitic
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To: Kaslin

Jeffrey Lord did some good research on the subject of modern “internment camps” but he left out some things, one possibly due to a type (Enemy Aliens - Italians).

I played a minor role in helping to quash a Clinton/Democrat plan to make a big issue out of the internment of Italian nationals in the US during WW2 as “enemy aliens”. The Clintonestas, hoping to get a large Italian voter bloc of support, tried to say that the US was wrong to intern Italian enemy aliens and that they numbered in the tens of thousands.

As I showed the leader of the commission on this subject, most Italian citizens and resident non-citizen Italians who were arrested/rounded up, were picked from Italian fascist support groups, some sailors who were unlucky enough (or perhaps very lucky) to be in an American port when war was declared on the Axis Powers.

The total number of those interned was roughly 1,500 or so, possibly including a few deported from Latin American countries (most deportees from LA countries were German nationals, some naturalized citizens who were Nazi supporters, and German agents (see the Office of Naval Intelligence files at the National Archives on who the saboteurs and spies were. Good police work got them, not the nationality of their names).

At least one Italian was arrested in the US as a spy, and so was at least one Argentinian who was photographing US dams (also in the Archives files).

There was a never officially totaled great amount of both passive and active acts of sabotage in the U.S. factories that turned out armaments and supporting items. The major method of sabotage was to throw something into the gear systems, even on ships as they were built, or to loosen parts in the hope of causing a plane to crash or a gun to malfunction. Lots on this in the National Archives files too.

There were acts of sabotage of railroad tracks and bridges (wooden ones were burnt down), and at the Alcoa Plant at Messina, NY, company guards fired at unknown persons attempting to get into that crucial facility (also one of the targets of the German saboteurs who landed from a sub in New Jersey.

My Police Science teacher was the FBI agent who actually took the first call from German saboteur Daesch who wanted to turn himself in, and did, with the result that the whole team was arrested, tried, and a couple, shot, for their actions).

Megan Kelly is dumb as dog-crap on too many subjects, a little like Bill O’Reilly (who at least covered the “streets” of reality). A little reading on her part would have shown her just how stupid she sounded.

Hey Megan. It is never too late to read a good, factual history book.

Oh, just FYI, most Japanese Americans living on the East Coast were NOT interned, with some of them actually working in war industries. The problem was trying to separate the real Japanese enemies on the West Coast from the general population. J. Edgar Hoover told Congress and FDR that his organization had the situation on the West Coast under control, as did a leading Immigration official, but FDR listened to his Democrat liberal advisors and signed the internment orders.

The Democrat Party conveniently likes to leave out this blatant racism on the part of FDR and company when they talk about how great a leader he was. He wasn’t so great but the myth they created about him was and still endures until today.


24 posted on 11/20/2016 11:36:22 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Skepolitic
His spokespeople should go to great lengths to avoid saying anything that could be construed as confirming their fears.

"Isn't it a beautiful morning!!"



25 posted on 11/21/2016 3:06:05 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
 
 
 
 

The Democrat Party conveniently likes to leave out this blatant racism on the part of FDR and company when they talk about how great a leader he was.


26 posted on 11/21/2016 3:08:42 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boop

“It would be like a Jewish person voting for the Nazis a mere seven years after the end of WWII. “

Jews voted 77% for Obama. So, yes, they do vote for those that desire their demise.


27 posted on 11/21/2016 3:14:33 AM PST by CodeToad (Ding Dong, the Bitch is Dead!!!)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

One almost wonders whose side a “conservative” who provides such material to a “journalist” is actually on. IMHO, he is either a moron or not conservative.


28 posted on 11/21/2016 4:02:33 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Kaslin

It is very interesting how self-involved and self-righteous USA Japanese are about the very benign “concentration camps” the US government imposed on Japanese citizens during WWII. It is interesting how quick they are to cast blame....for a very real concern our government had about saboteurs, both Japanese and German. I have heard very few Germans moan about that time as they truly understood the fear and they, too, were not nicely treated. So...
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Let’s talk then about how wonderful the Japanese were toward civilians, men, women and children during WWII in the FAR EAST including the Philippine Islands. I, one of my brothers and my parents were POWs in the Philippine Islands beginning with the bombing of Clark’s Field (coincident with Pearl Harbor). We then spent 3 years in 2 very separate concentration camps. Finally people are beginning to write about it:

The most recent book, a #1 Best Seller, NY Times by Bruce Henderson, was titled “Rescue at Los Banos” and published in 2015. You ought to read it sometime. You will not meet many of us, the survivors. We are increasingly rare.

Neither Japan nor the USA has apologized for our imprisonment yet the court case, United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit, 04-5017 Marcia Fee Achenbach and 597 other similarly situated plaintiffs v United States, Defendant-Appellee, Appeal from the United States Court of Federal Claims in 02-CV-894, Judge Emily C. Hewitt, is very, very clear how it was the USA decided we would be imprisoned.

STuff like this happens. I think the Japanese and their kids should suck it up just like we have had to do. The universe certainly doesn’t care and neither do Japan or the United States. Just cannon fodder. Just cannon fodder—except we didn’t die. Perhaps so we can talk about it. Maybe we who survived the SE Asia decimation to skeletanization should talk to the USA Japanese who still got to eat real food while incarcerated.


29 posted on 11/21/2016 8:11:16 AM PST by Bodega (elective, therapeutic abortion sequelae)
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To: Bodega

A dear friend of mine read recently the Japanese killed 100,000 civilians during WWII. I am trying really hard to remember if the USA killed any incarcerated Japanese.

Big difference in value of human life I would say.


30 posted on 11/21/2016 8:18:22 AM PST by Bodega (elective, therapeutic abortion sequelae)
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To: Elsie

Don’t get me wrong: I don’t care one bit about what SJWs think. They’re idiots.


31 posted on 11/21/2016 9:14:42 AM PST by Skepolitic
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To: Skepolitic

“Japanese internment was a cynical political move by FDR; even J. Edgar Hoover opposed it. Ronald Reagan formally denounced it. The instant Higbie mentioned it as a precedent for a Muslim registry I knew that it would be misconstrued. Conservatives should be able to relate when they consider how well they react to calls for a national gun registry.”

While it may be viewed as a “cynical” move, it was the correct and just move. The internment did prevent sabotage and spying and protected the west coast. The magic intercepts certainly lend credence to a spy ring among the Japanese on the west coast.


32 posted on 11/21/2016 1:10:27 PM PST by ConsCA
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To: Kaslin
I saw this live. Kelly completely blew it by interrupting and overreacting to something that came out of her own imagination.

Higbie was not referring to internment. Rather, when Kelly interrupted him, he was in the middle of talking about wartime (WWII period) restrictions on movements of German, Italian and Japanese nationals ... NOT about American citizens who happened to be of German, Italian, or Japanese ethnicity.

33 posted on 11/21/2016 3:12:18 PM PST by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: ConsCA

http://encyclopedia.densho.org/Moab/Leupp%20Isolation%20Centers%20(detention%20facility)/ (the lat-long are WRONG in this article. those cords put you in the middle of the Moab graveyard!)

Nothing much left to see at the Dalton Wells/Moab site.

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.7117291,-109.7013239,282m/data=!3m1!1e3


34 posted on 11/22/2016 4:58:06 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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