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Obama admin sets rule to protect streams near coal mines
Associated Press ^ | Dec 19, 2016 10:24 AM EST | Matthew Daly

Posted on 12/19/2016 8:19:53 AM PST by Olog-hai

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To: CIB-173RDABN
Congress has given regulatory agency the right to pass “regulations” that have the force of law. So in effect, congress did pass on the regulation.

No way.

Show me the Article or Clause in the Constitution that empowers Congress to so.

If they can transfer their power and authority to insane bureaucrats, can they transfer it to, say, Fidel Castro?

Aside from the fact he's dead, why not?

21 posted on 12/19/2016 10:22:28 AM PST by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW evil, stupid, insane ignorant or just clueless, doesn't matter!)
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To: publius911; Eric in the Ozarks; Olog-hai
The original rule was written 1983 under Reagan, the Stream Buffer Zone Rule, and was in place for a long time, Until GW Bush rewrote to reduce the buffer zone so the coal companies could dump more debris from mountain top mining in the head of the hollows, which set off the enviro lawsuits, and Bush's rewrite was vacated by the court in 2014, and Obama restored the original 100 ft buffer zone, but added some other things.

In the second paragraph of the article it says Obama imposes stricter guidelines for exceptions to the rule and at the bottom of the article it says the coal companies have to do restoration work with "native trees and vegetation".

22 posted on 12/19/2016 10:51:48 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: publius911

The law passed creating the Office of Surface Mining, Department of the Interior, was approved by congress and signed by Jimmah Cahtah.

I was mining coal when this law took effect. 95 percent of the small, family owned coal mines (up to 200,000 tons/year) were put out of business. Our company survived, barely.

The bill passed in ‘78 and took effect in ‘79.
Most coal states had their own reclamation regulations covering surface mines and the federal rule allowed states to adopt a federally approved, state run program, with federal oversight.
There were weeks when we had a state inspector and two or three federal inspectors at our three dragline (eight yard machines) operation.
Then, the Mine Safety and Health Administration inspector would spend a couple days working over our hard hats, backup beepers, dust, highwalls. etc.

We had a full time employee (along with myself) to manage the violations, orders, new permit applications, etc. We also employed two full time coal geologists to write permits and a local county PE engineer to stamp the permits with his approval.


23 posted on 12/19/2016 11:04:18 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: Ben Ficklin

The original stream issue didn’t present too much difficulty since our pits gathered and collected rain water run off in PE approved ponds at the downhill corners of the area. The most difficult challenge was “prime farmlands.”
We could return the reclaimed land to 95 percent of previous row crop productivity but prime farmlands required 100 per cent.
The state SCS had previously identified “prime lands” in spotty sections of non-prime. These could be as little as one or two acres in a 60 or 100 acre farm.

We never had a challenge to our reclamation practices since we picked up all the top soil and good quality clay for stockpiling with 637 scrapers. We also practiced contemporary reclamation, generally mining uphill, with the scrapers buzzing round and round as the pit was opened for coal removal, then the next pit created.

I had 60 employees on three shifts, plus two shifts in our wash plant.


24 posted on 12/19/2016 11:20:00 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: publius911

https://www.federalregister.gov/uploads/2011/01/the_rulemaking_process.pdf

Agencies get their authority to issue regulations from laws (statutes) enacted by Congress. In some cases, the President may delegate existing Presidential authority to an agency.

Typically, when Congress passes a law to create an agency, it grants that agency general authority to regulate certain activities within our society. Congress may also pass a law that more specifically directs an agency to solve a particular problem or accomplish a certain goal.


25 posted on 12/19/2016 11:36:03 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN
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To: CIB-173RDABN

That’s not constitutional. The legislature has no power under Article 1 to delegate any of its enumerated power to the executive branch.


26 posted on 12/19/2016 11:39:18 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Take it up with the Supreme Court, not me.


27 posted on 12/19/2016 11:42:04 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN
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To: Olog-hai

The Supreme Court has in the past (and most recently with a ruling on the EPA) confirmed that regulatory agencies can write regulations.

So regardless of what you think, it is Constitutional (for now).


28 posted on 12/19/2016 11:46:07 AM PST by CIB-173RDABN
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To: CIB-173RDABN

No, that doesn’t make it constitutional either.

Unless you’re saying that Dred Scott was constitutional too?

Constitutionality does not change with epochs of time.


29 posted on 12/19/2016 2:54:28 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: CIB-173RDABN

That’s what this election was about.


30 posted on 12/19/2016 2:56:53 PM PST by Olog-hai
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