How many unsolved Homicides are Justified?

[marktwain]

Image from HeyJackass.com

While the site HeyJackass.com is not an “official” tabulator of homicides in Chicago, they seem to do a fairly credible job.  They show that 9 out of about 700 homicides in Chicago this year have been listed as from self defense, and there are 11 listed as police related. That is close to the official ratio listed in the FBI Uniform Crime Reports (UCR) for the nation, which show police justified homicide a little bit greater than non-police justified homicides.  Both of those numbers are significantly under reported. Only about one out of five non-police justified homicides are caught by the UCR.  It appears that about half of justified police shootings are recorded in the UCR.

Nationally, the clearance rates for homicides is about 63 percent. We know that most homicides occur among criminals and their criminal associates. Most of them are not legally able to possess firearms. They have a significant incentive to avoid the authorities. In Indianapolis, police are wondering how many of the unsolved homicides were justified. From fox59.com:

During recent months, IMPD commanders were discussing whether some of the murders investigated by detectives should be reclassified as self-defense homicides.

On Sept. 14, the bodies of Mack Taylor and Alexander Brown were discovered in an alley near the 3000 block of North Gladstone Avenue where detectives determined two days earlier they had attempted to rob a drug dealer.

Detectives have considered whether or not that drug dealer fired back in self-defense of a home invasion robbery.

“You have the right to use deadly force to prevent the threat, imminent threat, you don’t have to wait to get hit,” said Hennessey. “It could be serious

[marktwain]

We have no way of knowing how many unsolved homicides are legally justified.

When only 20 percent of homicides are solved, you can bet many of the unsolved ones were justified, but no one trusted the legal system.

[OddLane]

Chicago would be a great experiment for privatizing the police force, IMO.

[marktwain]

Heyjackass.com reports 795 homicides for 2016 total, with police shootings (11) and self defense (11) not included.

http://heyjackass.com/category/2016-stats/

[marktwain]

Big city policed departments have always been political tools of the City government. Crime reduction was always a secondary add on, in the U.S.

Some other countries were not as bad, such as England, I have been told.

[suthener]

Can you imagine the resources that would be necessary to conduct a real investigation of that many homicides? I would venture to guess that most convictions are cases where the perp was standing over the dead body with a smoking gun, and most of those pled guilty with no trial.

[marktwain]

It is a feedback loop. You overwhelm the system. They system breaks down, and more bad stuff happens.

Obama and Rahm really kicked this off with the “Ferguson Effect”.

It takes a lot of work to put the genie back in the bottle.

[rellimpank]

---several years ago the local versions of the Crips and the Bloods got into a turf war in Las Vegas---

---everyone (especially the cops) realized that the next homicide was usually part of the solution of the preceding one---

[ROCKLOBSTER]

It takes a lot of work to put the genie back in the bottle.

Well, I'll bet the National Guard and some Swat Teams coupled with a Jumbotron could do a "Cop compliance" tour of the RAT cities and quickly spread the word of what happens if you resist, shoot or get violent when a LEO tells you to do something.

Back it up with cable TV ad buys with the same message.

[RetiredTexasVet]

It’s possible that the beginnings of vigilante just has begun in the major Progressive plantation ghettos. We’ve seen it begin in Mexico (not reported in the Fake News) in a couple of their states. I wouldn’t be surprised that they have reached the same level in the US.

[Secret Agent Man]

well a huge number of these are thug on thug, so criminals shooting other criminals arent justified when they are engaged in criminal activities.

[Beautiful_Gracious_Skies]

Justified? it’s tribal law. Gang on Gang.

I doubt the police have time to fully investigate a murder every 11 hours. They will know which gang was responsible, and that’s about it.

[marktwain]

Tribal warfare. That is it precisely.

It is what humans revert to when there is no rule of law.

There are high homicide rates all over the world where the rule of law is not enforced.

[marktwain]

Tribal warfare. That is it precisely.

It is what humans revert to when there is no rule of law.

There are high homicide rates all over the world where the rule of law is not enforced.

[Paal Gulli]

What’s the point wasting taxpayers’ money investigating when it clearly is death by natural causes? When you live like that, it’s perfectly natural for somebody to buss a cap on yo azz.

In fact you could make the case it isn’t a homicide at all, it’s natural selection in action.

[21twelve]

I read where lots of bad guys get found dead in the streets of Detroit. It seemed like most of the people knew that it was private people taking care of the problem. If I recall correctly, with the limited police budget, the cops aren’t much help.