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Is California Really Going to Secede?
New York Magazine ^ | 01/30/2017 | By Ed Kilgore

Posted on 01/30/2017 6:50:10 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Like the talk of secession in conservative southern states after Barack Obama became president, the idea of a separate California Republic builds on long-standing separatist feelings amplified by a momentous national election. Since Donald Trump became president while securing less than a third of the vote in California, the Yes California campaign — a.k.a. Calexit — has gotten a lot of attention and perhaps even some momentum in getting an initial measure placed on 2018 general election ballot. An estimated 7,000 volunteers have begun amassing the 585,407 signatures necessary to place a constitutional amendment on the 2018 ballot deleting the state’s adherence to the United States and authorizing a 2019 referendum on independence.

The arguments for Calexit are pretty simple: The state is drifting ever-further away from the rest of the country in cultural attitudes and public policies, especially with respect to immigration and the environment. California’s size and wealth (its GDP is similar to that of France) make it the one state that might make a go of it alone.

It is also a “donor state” when it comes to the relationship of federal taxes collected from Californians to the federal spending conducted there; one recent analysis showed California ranking 46th among the states in relative dependence on Washington.

But it’s clear the main reason for sudden interest in Calexit is Donald J. Trump, and the possibility a federal Republican regime under his direction would preempt California preferences on a wide range of issues. Even though Governor Jerry Brown and other statewide Democratic elected officials have kept their distance from Calexit, the saber-rattling they have conducted about the state’s willingness to fight Trump and the GOP in court has undoubtedly fed the Calexit sentiment. The latest Trump provocation, threatening sanctuary cities with the cancellation of all federal funds,

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; secession
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1 posted on 01/30/2017 6:50:10 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

No.


2 posted on 01/30/2017 6:50:47 AM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: SeekAndFind

Don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.


3 posted on 01/30/2017 6:51:37 AM PST by stremba
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To: SeekAndFind

We can hope so but I’d say they won’t.


4 posted on 01/30/2017 6:52:00 AM PST by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: Robert DeLong

I’d like to see them try.


5 posted on 01/30/2017 6:52:15 AM PST by RC one (The 2nd Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think between the revolutionary crowd, the university students, and the far-right crowd....yes, there will be enough votes to carry the measure.

Beyond that step? I don’t think any method exists to allow them to leave. I personally would like for them to find a method, allowing them to exit and for the Jefferson-state crowd to re-enter the US as it’s own state, with the remainder on a two-year hike to bankruptcy.


6 posted on 01/30/2017 6:53:24 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: SeekAndFind

Secede? That Nanny state would fold in 90 days.


7 posted on 01/30/2017 6:53:28 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: stremba

>> Don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

San Andreas?


8 posted on 01/30/2017 6:54:19 AM PST by Lisbon1940 (No full-term Governors (at the time of election!)
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To: SeekAndFind

If California can secede, Jefferson can secede.


9 posted on 01/30/2017 6:54:22 AM PST by Paine in the Neck ( Socialism consumes EVERYTHING!)
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To: pepsionice

Without Jefferson, what will they do for pot?


10 posted on 01/30/2017 6:55:33 AM PST by Lisbon1940 (No full-term Governors (at the time of election!)
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To: SeekAndFind

How can non Californians help make this a reality? We need a parallel effort in the other 49 to expel California. #CalGone!


11 posted on 01/30/2017 6:55:36 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SeekAndFind

No, they’re all talk, like Scotland.

I wish they would though. Can you imagine how hard it would be for Democrats to win the White House without that slam dunk fifty-five electoral votes?


12 posted on 01/30/2017 6:55:48 AM PST by Trump20162020
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To: SeekAndFind

Sure, and then the rest of the state will secede from Los Angeles and San Francisco.


13 posted on 01/30/2017 6:56:06 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Paine in the Neck

RE: If California can secede, Jefferson can secede.

Pardon my ignorance... but where is Jefferson?


14 posted on 01/30/2017 6:56:08 AM PST by SeekAndFind (q)
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe they could come up with a referendum calling the thing Sovereignty Association like Quebec did. Basically it was we make up our own rules but keep sending us money.


15 posted on 01/30/2017 6:56:20 AM PST by xp38
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To: pepsionice

Secession is not unconstitutional. At all, in the least.


16 posted on 01/30/2017 6:56:38 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Robert DeLong; celtic gal; Nachum; NormsRevenge; vette6387; unkus; SkyPilot; sheik yerbouty; ...

The MSM and Moonbeam Brown are delusional. Look at the county by county map of CA. A huge segment of CA isn’t Liberal and wants no part of this Liberal lunacy.


17 posted on 01/30/2017 6:56:41 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: SeekAndFind
Not on their nickel...
18 posted on 01/30/2017 6:56:51 AM PST by mewzilla (I'll vote for the first guy who promises to mail in his SOTU addresses.)
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To: RC one

If this starts to get serious, expect an large exodus of companies leaving California.


19 posted on 01/30/2017 6:57:39 AM PST by TMA62 (Al Sharpton - The North Korea of race relations)
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To: SeekAndFind
If it does, treat them like any other country. Impose a 20% tariff on all box office receipts for film productions made in Hollywood.

Then see what happens.

20 posted on 01/30/2017 6:58:09 AM PST by Ciaphas Cain (The choice to be stupid is not a conviction I am obligated to respect.)
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