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California Goes Confederate
VDH Private Papers ^ | February 9, 2017 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 02/10/2017 3:07:28 PM PST by gubamyster

Threatening secession is far from the only thing that the Golden State has in common with the Old South. Over 60 percent of California voters went for Hillary Clinton — a margin of more than 4 million votes over Donald Trump.

Since Clinton’s defeat, the state seems to have become unhinged over Trump’s unexpected election.

“Calexit” supporters brag that they will have enough signatures to qualify for a ballot measure calling for California’s secession from the United States. Some California officials have talked of the state not remitting its legally obligated tax dollars to the federal government. They talk of expanding its sanctuary cities into an entire sanctuary state that would nullify federal immigration law.

Californians also now talk about the value of the old Confederate idea of “states’ rights.” They whine that their state gives far too much revenue to Washington and gets too little back. Residents boast about how their cool culture has little in common with the rest of the U.S. Some Californians claim the state could easily go it alone, divorced from the United States. Sound a bit familiar?

In December 1860, South Carolina seceded from the Union in furor over the election of Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln did not receive 50 percent of the popular vote. He espoused values the state insisted did not reflect its own. In eerie irony, liberal California is now mirror-imaging the arguments of reactionary South Carolina and other Southern states that vowed to go it alone in 1860 and 1861.

Like California, South Carolina insisted it could nullify federal laws within its state borders. Like California, South Carolina promised to withhold federal revenues.

Like California, South Carolina and other Confederate states bragged that their unique economies did not need the Union.

(Excerpt) Read more at victorhanson.com ...


TOPICS: US: California
KEYWORDS: calexit; california; civilwar; dixie; secession; vdh; victordavishanson
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1 posted on 02/10/2017 3:07:28 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: gubamyster

They should ask South Carolina how that went after 1861.


2 posted on 02/10/2017 3:08:33 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: gubamyster

Maybe “Jefferson California” can remain as “California” and everything south of Oakland will just be Ceded to Mexico and the idiots there can negotiate with Mexico Nationhood....

That way we keep 50 stars on the flag, 50 states, gain a conservative state, and get tp punish all of hollyweird and silicone valley by having them governed by the 3rd world country they SAY they love to damned much...


3 posted on 02/10/2017 3:11:58 PM PST by GraceG (Only a fool works hard in an environment where hard work is not appreciated...)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

That’s a Bingo!


4 posted on 02/10/2017 3:12:05 PM PST by Williams (Stop tolerating the intolerant.)
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To: gubamyster

I vote they become a mexican territory. They are a big drain on federal dollars


5 posted on 02/10/2017 3:12:22 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: gubamyster

That would be an epic win. We will take the eastern part of the state. Oregon and WA state should join them.


6 posted on 02/10/2017 3:16:31 PM PST by Sam Gamgee
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To: gubamyster

You can only leave if you take the nutty 9th Circuit with you.


7 posted on 02/10/2017 3:17:03 PM PST by Trumpnado2016 (It's time for America to dream again.)
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To: gubamyster

It is ironic that California is the modern South Carolina. Is SanDiego the equivalent to Fort Sumter?


8 posted on 02/10/2017 3:17:29 PM PST by arthurus
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To: gubamyster
The precedent has already been firmly established for how the federal government responds to any state voting to leave: Sic the U.S. Army on them and coerce them to stay.

Sorry, California, but...


9 posted on 02/10/2017 3:17:45 PM PST by Trump20162020
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To: RummyChick

Then invade and reclaim it and kick the liberals out.


10 posted on 02/10/2017 3:17:54 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: gubamyster

We don’t need California. They need us. However, the new Republik of Kalifornia could provide a Pacific coast launch point for a foreign invasion force (not just those south of the border) that would be necessary for land forces to attack the USA. Countries, such as China and the Norks, that lust over the land and natural resources of the USA.


11 posted on 02/10/2017 3:20:08 PM PST by Sasparilla ( I'm Not tired of Winning)
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To: GraceG
Sounds eminently rational. I bet if they allowed another vote after a successful secession the remaining voting population (minus the re-seceded Jefferson) would vote to become el Estado de California del Norte. I wonder if the Democrats there think they would then become the Government of Mexico?
12 posted on 02/10/2017 3:20:44 PM PST by arthurus
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To: gubamyster

California’s progressivism is in a fever - which is signs it is very sick.


13 posted on 02/10/2017 3:21:37 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Sam Gamgee
Oregon and WA state should join them.

The Willamette Valley of Oregon (Portland south to Eugene) is the part of the state that is socialistic. The rest of the state is rural and conservative.

In Washington, it's the part west of the Cascades that is socialistic. East of the mountains, it's rural and conservative.

Washington is actually two states unhappily married at the Cascades, and the same is mostly true for Oregon.

If the US is divisible, then California is divisible. If Washington and Oregon wish to leave, then both states are divisible. Western Washington would probably be happier annexed into the Canadian province of British Columbia.

14 posted on 02/10/2017 3:23:00 PM PST by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius available at Amazon.)
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To: gubamyster

The Federal Government owns 45% of all the land in California. I doubt that the Feds would gift this to the Golden State.


15 posted on 02/10/2017 3:24:56 PM PST by Captain Compassion
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To: gubamyster

Calexit.


16 posted on 02/10/2017 3:25:12 PM PST by MarMema
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To: GraceG

Historically—in 1838 Mexican Governor Juan B. Alvarado thought about making California an independent nation—He even designed a flag. A white field with a single Big Red five pointed star. The red star is found on the California State Flag today—Maybe the Alvarado flag can be recycled again for the new independent Republic of California? Its a bit like the Bonny Blue Flag—White star on a blue field. If other states join in the Rebellion (Oregon? Washington? Nevada? Idaho? New Mexico, Arizona) More red stars could be added to the new Pacific Republic. Maybe seek help from China? Or help Hawaii become a kingdom again? What ever they do—It will be short lived!


17 posted on 02/10/2017 3:27:45 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: Publius
In Washington, it's the part west of the Cascades that is socialistic.

Pacific County is actually pretty conservative too.

18 posted on 02/10/2017 3:28:53 PM PST by MarMema
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To: Publius

Interesting. I agree. And we wouldn’t want to abandon the conservatives in those regions.

With that said, I am guessing this will never happen.


19 posted on 02/10/2017 3:30:15 PM PST by Sam Gamgee
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To: gubamyster

The South was right.

And indeed, secession is a right and state’s rights are important.

I would be all too glad for California to leave. Wonder if my brother would stay.


20 posted on 02/10/2017 3:30:36 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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