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Senator Cruz Found an Overlooked 1974 Rule That Could Be a Real Game-changer for Repealing Obamacare
http://hillarydaily.com/brandon/2017/03/13/senator-cruz-found-an-overlooked-1974-rule-that-could-be-a-real-game-changer-for-repealing-obamacare/ ^ | 3/13/17

Posted on 03/14/2017 1:21:17 AM PDT by cotton1706

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To: cba123
Repeal and replace? Where is the 'repeal' in this little bit of tinkering Ryan wants to do?

Still has the mandate and still have the pre-existing conditions bit. The first impoverishes the lower and middle classes, the second will kill the insurance industry. Both together will force single payer, probably by greatly extended Medicaid.

41 posted on 03/14/2017 8:31:13 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

That goes for the person on the receiving end as well. If they are that worried about it then they can carry the insurance to protect them against uninsured drivers - happens in some states now anyway. Also happens in states with requirements already where people still don’t carry the insurance. In the end the insurance company pays just depends on who picks up the premium.

As you said driving is a privilege - that includes both parties not just the one causing harm. No one is forcing the injured party to drive either.

I always err on the side of liberty - mandates detract from that.


42 posted on 03/14/2017 8:49:05 AM PDT by reed13k
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To: reed13k
"That goes for the person on the receiving end as well."

What if the person on the receiving end is a passenger? What if the person is just a pedestrian walking along the sidewalk? Should we all get insurance to be a passenger in a car or walk on a sidewalk? It is much more practical to have the person that is the driver (i.e. the person who is putting others at risk) to be the insured. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
43 posted on 03/14/2017 9:00:13 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: cotton1706
This isn't an overlooked rule. This was the basis of the "nuclear option" (get the Vice-President to overrule the Parliamentarian) that ultimately led to John McCain's "Gang of 14" that undermined the majority's strategy in the Senate.

-PJ

44 posted on 03/14/2017 9:17:46 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (The 1st Amendment gives the People the right to a free press, not CNN the right to the 1st question.)
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To: Gene Eric

Pre-Xs need to be in the HRP.


45 posted on 03/14/2017 9:29:04 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (The fear of stark justice sends hot urine down their thighs.)
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To: cba123
You cannot just pull insurance from 15 million people.

Sure you can. If they're not paying for it, it's not insurance, it's welfare.

Look at how many lost their coverage because of "Obamacare".

46 posted on 03/14/2017 9:32:26 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (The fear of stark justice sends hot urine down their thighs.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER; cba123

You cannot just pull insurance from 15 million people.

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Sure you can. If they’re not paying for it, it’s not insurance, it’s welfare.

Look at how many lost their coverage because of “Obamacare”.


Excellent reply, Rock!! Bravo!!


47 posted on 03/14/2017 9:34:05 AM PDT by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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To: cba123

they chose not to buy insurance. Before under obmacare, they were forced under penalty of law to purchase insurance that had little value. They paid premiums but the deductible was so high there was no insurance except for catastrophic incidents

It is probable that the coverage of such catastrophic coverage under the new law now will be much less expensive.

The insurance will not be pulled but voluntarily surrendered


48 posted on 03/14/2017 9:40:26 AM PDT by Thibodeaux (the long night is over)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
I’m not sure if you were disagreeing with me on allowing companies to provide health insurance or not but get no tax incentive compensation. If you were, my reply would be that I believe the marketplace would take care of this and no company would end up supplying health insurance as part of their benefits package. But I would never mandate that they couldn’t provide it. Leave it up to the company to decide. In the end, most of us would not have it through our workplace under this scenario IMO.

I think we're pretty much of one accord on this. I'm not talking about mandates in any direction. We should leave it up to the company and/or individual. Personally, I'd much rather handle this on my own through normal market mechanisms. The problem is, the market has been distorted for literally decades because of perverse tax incentives, that it's going to be really difficult getting to that.

49 posted on 03/14/2017 12:06:36 PM PDT by zeugma (The Brownshirts have taken over American Universities.)
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The only problem with the scenario that I would like to see is how do you handle pre-existing conditions. For instance, lets say you have health insurance, you have something happen to you, say a cancer diagnosis. While you are going through treatment, the insurance company goes bankrupt, out of business. What happens to people in that situation?

Another thing, lets say you have a heart attack and recover. How long is that a pre-existing condition? 5 years? 10 years? Also, if you are under that scenario (a pre-existing condition) and are insured, are you now locked into your plan forever? No matter what? Because if you go shopping for a different insurance you have a pre-existing condition and no one else wants to cover you. Not only is the insurance company stuck, but so are you.

I think the best way to solve this is the idea of states aggregating these risk pools, whereby insurance companies in order to do business in the state have to make available health care coverage to a certain amount of the people in the high risk pool.

Many people would say, well that’s their tough luck etc.. I would only say, wait until your Mom or Dad or Sister, brother or wife ends up having a pre-existing condition and gets locked into not only wrestling with a disease, but the health insurance on top of it. It’s an issue that will affect all of us one way or another. Most of the time, it’s not people who never had health insurance, get sick and then want health insurance. Many times it is responsible people that get into this situation.


50 posted on 03/15/2017 4:47:38 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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The only problem with the scenario that I would like to see is how do you handle pre-existing conditions. For instance, lets say you have health insurance, you have something happen to you, say a cancer diagnosis. While you are going through treatment, the insurance company goes bankrupt, out of business. What happens to people in that situation?

I don't know what you'd do about it when a company goes bankrupt, but then, what normally happens to people who are dealing with companies that go bankrupt? They probably are on their way to getting screwed.

Many people would say, well that’s their tough luck etc.. I would only say, wait until your Mom or Dad or Sister, brother or wife ends up having a pre-existing condition and gets locked into not only wrestling with a disease, but the health insurance on top of it. It’s an issue that will affect all of us one way or another. Most of the time, it’s not people who never had health insurance, get sick and then want health insurance. Many times it is responsible people that get into this situation.

Been there. WifeofZeugma (a fellow Freeper) passed a bit under 2 years ago after having fought breast cancer for 5 years. She dealt with the insurance company for most of it, because she knew the ins and outs of how to maximize what they would pay. The real secret to dealing with the entire situation though, was that we actually had insurance. If we'd not been insured, we'd have been SOL, and I'd probably have ended up completely broke. I've had insurance pretty much continuously for 30 years, mostly through work, though there were some times I'd had to COBRA it to bridge between terms.

What I object to, because the market simply can't handle it, is people who go bare for years, if not decades, then whine because they aren't covered when they finally buy "insurance" because they know something major is coming.

Again, like car insurance, you can't get into a wreck, and then buy insurance and expect the company to pay for it.

51 posted on 03/15/2017 7:36:09 PM PDT by zeugma (The Brownshirts have taken over American Universities.)
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To: zeugma
"What I object to, because the market simply can't handle it, is people who go bare for years, if not decades, then whine because they aren't covered when they finally buy "insurance" because they know something major is coming."

I am so sorry to hear about your loss. My wife has gone through numerous medical problems and almost died from a stroke. There were many days where I sat in a hospital and didn't know what I would do if I lost her. I'm glad I didn't have to face that, I would literally be lost.

Like you I was insured at the time and have had insurance all of my life. My kids have also had it. I am like you, I have no sympathy for those that go around their whole life being irresponsible and not get insurance. Every Tom, Dick and Harry it seems can afford to have a cell phone. I think that if they do this right, health insurance would not be much more than having a cell phone and monthly bill from that. If you can have a cell phone, that means you can drop your cell phone coverage and phone and get health insurance.

That being said, there are situations like I outlined where good and responsible people ended up being screwed over by health care insurance. I think if we could get to the point where we only paid for catastrophic health care, this would be less of an issue but it does need to be addressed.
52 posted on 03/16/2017 7:42:55 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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