South Koreans to Trump: No, Korea didn’t “used to be a part of China”

Hotair ^ | 04/21/2017 | AllahPundit

[ifinnegan]

Look commie, you’re exposed.

[conservative98]

Oh boy. Do we want our children to repeat Trump’s vulgarity? Will Ted Cruz pull his endorsement of Trump?

[johnk]

Sorry some may have been confused by the title “Dear Leader’s Gaffes”, thinking you meant Trump.

You talking about Obama’s gaffes? Correct?

http://www.dividedstates.com/list-of-obama-gaffes-blunders-mistakes-and-stupidities/

Here are links to some of them:

Obama talking about bowling a 129. That was Obama on the Tonight Show with Leno.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HOBTUCv4o0

The ‘Intercontinental Railroad’ comment was Obama.
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tom-blumer/2011/09/23/was-obamas-intercontinental-railroad-reference-lifted-previous

The 10,000 died in Kansas in also Obama.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-gaffe-10000-died-in-kan-tornado/

[buwaya]

“was part of China.”

Now we are arguing words and nuances beyond utility in the current controversy.

That is a bit of legal-contract pettifoggery.

Its a bit like arguing that Hungary was not part of Austria in 1796. Well, yes, technically and legally it was because the Emperor was King of Hungary (the Dual monarchy, Kaiserlich und Koniglich, his authority was Imperial and Royal) and Hungary was a different country under a separate sovereign authority.

However, the Emperor marched his armies through Hungary and collected taxes and levied troops and controlled its foreign policy. As did China (usually) in Korea.

[buwaya]

Close your ears and say “nananana”.

The only way to deal, as a conservative, in this world is to look facts in the face.

The Chinese government is a totalitarian dictatorship that is perfectly amoral and can’t be trusted any more than any given Democrat.

But facts are facts in any case, even if you hear them from the Devil.

[Future Snake Eater]

According to a fellow officer of Korean descent with whom I work, China did conquer Korea at some point in its history. Probably what Xi (and by extension Trump) was referring to. He wasn’t happy with Trump’s statement at all, but he grudgingly admitted as much to me.

[ifinnegan]

China was part of Japan too.

Knock off your ChiCom propaganda.

[buwaya]

Many points in its history.

[Bob434]

[[You talking about Obama’s gaffes? Correct?]]

Yes

[ifinnegan]

Nice try.

Was Germany part of the United States?

[buwaya]

Indeed, for a few years under the Shogun Hideyoshi after 1592 and forty years or so, effectively, after the Russo-Japanese war.

That doesn’t change anything about Xi’s facts. He can recite facts without reciting other facts.

I am not reciting propaganda. This is all real and can be researched and its useful as a guide as to how ALL Chinese governments (not just ChiComs) regarded Korea, and as a guide to Korean attitudes towards China (and Japan). Arm yourself with knowledge!

[ifinnegan]

You think like a ChiCom.

Twisted backward logic, non-understanding of modern nation states vs former dynastic rule.

And double standard inconsistencies where you would argue Korea was part of China but would never admit China was, by the same logic, part of Japan.

Korea was never part of China and your own posts prove it.

[buwaya]

The parts under US occupation?
What is the meaning of “part”?
Back in the Cold War, for a while there even Konrad Adenauer said West Germany was a client state of the US.

Is Guam a part of the United States? I’m guessing you would say yes.

Was it a part of the United States the day the US Navy imposed a military governor on this conquered territory in 1898?

These are all complicated, fuzzy concepts.

[tumblindice]

Yep. The northern part of Korea was part of the Han dynasty.
Just more msm Trump trolling.
But for the US, South Korea would be starving along with the north.
A carping ally and lying MSM. Imagine that.

[ifinnegan]

You have Chankoro logic

[DesertRhino]

Exactly. All the above cases demonstrate identical morons fighting it out for idiot-based reasons.

[ifinnegan]

“These are all complicated, fuzzy concepts.”

Except when it becomes something your beloved Chinese Communist Party claims.

Then it’s clear as a bell to you.

[tumblindice]

Four Commanderies of Han The Four Commanderies of Han (漢四郡, 한사군) are Lelang, Lintun, Xuantu and Zhenfan commanderies in northern Korean Peninsula and part of the Liaodong Peninsula set up by Emperor Wu of the Han dynasty in early 2nd century BC after his conquest of Wiman Joseon. The commanderies were set up to control the populace in the area as far south as the Han River, with a core area at Lelang near present-day P'yongyang, which was previously under the control of Gojoseon.

[buwaya]

“non-understanding of modern nation states vs former dynastic rule.”

You have nation-states under dynastic rule - England under the Tudors, Stuarts, Hanover. Bourbon France. And non-dynastic rule in old feudal states like Poland. And in the three cases above, all had aspects of one and aspects of the other. Highly recommended for a truly deep dive into the nature of a European traditional state, Hippolyte Taine, “France under the Old Regime”.

There is no such thing as this, precisely, vs that, clearly different. No clear lines or uncomplicated categories. We are discussing human societies, that most messy of things.

[buwaya]

To make it clear, my most direct contact with Communists was in the early 1980’s, when I was a “guest” of theirs for a few days of the Philippine New Peoples Army (Maoist). They thought I was suspicious while travelling in the provinces.

Black and white thinkers, that lot.